Hey Chris, given that we'll do this, how do we request a [email protected] list?
Matei On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:42 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Matei, > > Yep the below is exactly what I suggested to Andy (per your plan below). > > And yep I think with the $p.i.a.o namespace the transition is pretty > seamless and doesn't require much from the users. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matei Zaharia <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:29 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: > Created!) > >> Hey Chris, >> >> I definitely understand that we need to move to Apache lists, and I think >> that's fine, but maybe one question -- is it possible to transform the >> *@spark.incubator.apache.org <http://spark.incubator.apache.org/> lists >> into *@spark.apache.org <http://spark.apache.org/> more seamlessly when >> we graduate? It's weird to ask users to move twice. If these could >> somehow become aliases that would be ideal. >> >> In any case though, I think we'll have a gradual transition. I'd first >> move the dev list over, then the user one, and for a while I'd keep both >> and keep a notice on the Google group. I'm not sure how Google groups >> allow that but there must be a way. >> >> Matei >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Hey Reynold, >> >> I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't >> make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list >> conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core >> portions of open source communities at least in my experience. >> >> There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there >> are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share >> those memes and information with people to try and encourage open >> source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb >> all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading. >> >> With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing >> list at this point? Can you give me an exact count? >> >> I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then, >> migrating later from [email protected] to >> [email protected] >> will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we >> are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o >> namespace I think even now we can use spark.apache.org (*think*) >> which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like >> I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute >> time towards making the migration as seamless as possible. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >> Created!) >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual emails vs >> batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not an >> absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay >> the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Andy et al., >> >> Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group, >> get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy >> to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate >> the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new >> email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one. >> >> That OK? >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM >> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >> Created!) >> >> + [email protected] to loop in those who haven't >> subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting >> bounced by Apache's spam filters). >> >> I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list >> migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for >> Spark (on Apache infra)"... >> >> Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to >> lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users >> list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only >> have to migrate it once. >> >> >> Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers >> to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to >> an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when >> >> >> we >> graduate to a TLP (which we hope to >> do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly >> more subscribers. >> >> >> This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache >> >> >> seems >> a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will >> >> >> go >> away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. >> podling TLPs) actually ever happen. >> >> >> Anyway, I see our options as: >> >> >> 1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group >> >> >> that >> is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users >> list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. >> >> >> Con: >> it's confusing to have user and dev >> lists on different infra. >> >> 2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration >> >> >> plan I >> proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to >> users. >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >> >> This is great. >> >> Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a >> spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> >> google >> group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have >> >> >> >> >> somewhere >> to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? >> >> >> >> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but >> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: >> >> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator >> >> >> Did you request a list yet? Should i? >> >> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all >> week >> in >> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). >> >> >> >> Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the >> mailing >> lists over to the new ones. >> >> As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help >> make >> for a smooth transition: >> >> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) >> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming >> [email protected] is set up by then) >> 3. At Switch time: >> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with >> >> >> >> >> links >> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note >> saying all >> conversations are moving over to that list. >> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists >> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the >> new >> apache lists >> >> >> >> Perfect! That's correct Andy. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM >> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave >> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >> >> >> >> >> Haoyuan >> Li >> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf >> >> >> Chowdhury >> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >> >> >> <[email protected]>, >> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >> >> >> Ryan >> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >> <[email protected]>, >> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >> Thomas >> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >> <[email protected]>, >> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >> >> >> <[email protected] >> , >> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >> <[email protected]>, >> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman >> Shaposhnik >> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F >> (398J)" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >> >> Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) >> >> >> The mailing lists are ready: >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> You can subscribe by sending email to: >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> [email protected] -> This is moderated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and >> only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. >> >> >> Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting >> >> >> next >> week. >> >> >> For those new to ASF, welcome! =) >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Henry >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual >> Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please >> head over to: >> >> http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >> >> >> Please fill that out and then submit to >> >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that >> karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with >> infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM >> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur >> >> >> Dave >> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >> >> >> Haoyuan >> Li >> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >> >> >> Reynold >> Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman >> <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury >> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected] >> , >> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >> >> >> Ryan >> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >> >> >> <[email protected] >> , >> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >> >> >> Thomas >> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >> >> >> <[email protected]>, >> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >> >> >> <[email protected]>, >> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all >> to this list :) >> >> Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: >> >> http://s.apache.org/yRh >> >> Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone >> ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 >> >> >> per: >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling >> >> >> You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by >> putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now >> I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of >> mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping >> in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing >> email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version >> history transferred over, and to start moving the project >> into the ASF. >> >> One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a >> software grant on this: >> >> http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt >> >> >> From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take >> the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and >> CC me? >> >> Thanks guys! Progress :) >> >> Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and >> help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning >> and helping to get the project moved on over. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
