Hey Matei, Yep the below is exactly what I suggested to Andy (per your plan below).
And yep I think with the $p.i.a.o namespace the transition is pretty seamless and doesn't require much from the users. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Matei Zaharia <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:29 PM To: <[email protected]> Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!) >Hey Chris, > >I definitely understand that we need to move to Apache lists, and I think >that's fine, but maybe one question -- is it possible to transform the >*@spark.incubator.apache.org <http://spark.incubator.apache.org/> lists >into *@spark.apache.org <http://spark.apache.org/> more seamlessly when >we graduate? It's weird to ask users to move twice. If these could >somehow become aliases that would be ideal. > >In any case though, I think we'll have a gradual transition. I'd first >move the dev list over, then the user one, and for a while I'd keep both >and keep a notice on the Google group. I'm not sure how Google groups >allow that but there must be a way. > >Matei > >On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" ><[email protected]> wrote: > > >Hey Reynold, > >I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't >make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list >conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core >portions of open source communities at least in my experience. > >There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there >are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share >those memes and information with people to try and encourage open >source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb >all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading. > >With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing >list at this point? Can you give me an exact count? > >I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then, >migrating later from [email protected] to >[email protected] >will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we >are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o >namespace I think even now we can use spark.apache.org (*think*) >which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like >I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute >time towards making the migration as seamless as possible. > >Cheers, >Chris > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >Created!) > >Hi Chris, > >There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual emails vs >batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not an >absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay >the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP. > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >[email protected]> wrote: > >Hi Andy et al., > >Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group, >get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy >to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate >the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new >email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one. > >That OK? > >Cheers, >Chris > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM >To: jpluser <[email protected]> >Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >Created!) > >+ [email protected] to loop in those who haven't >subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting >bounced by Apache's spam filters). > >I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list >migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for >Spark (on Apache infra)"... > >Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to >lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users >list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only >have to migrate it once. > > >Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers >to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to >an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when > > >we >graduate to a TLP (which we hope to >do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly >more subscribers. > > >This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache > > >seems >a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will > > >go >away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. >podling TLPs) actually ever happen. > > >Anyway, I see our options as: > > >1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group > > >that >is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users >list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. > > >Con: >it's confusing to have user and dev >lists on different infra. > >2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration > > >plan I >proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to >users. > >Andy > > > > > > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) ><[email protected]> wrote: > >Hi Andy, > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >This is great. > >Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a >spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> >google >group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have > > > > >somewhere >to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? > > > >OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but >didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: > >https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator > > >Did you request a list yet? Should i? > >(BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all >week >in >DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). > > > >Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the >mailing >lists over to the new ones. > >As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help >make >for a smooth transition: > > 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) > 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming > [email protected] is set up by then) > 3. At Switch time: > 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with > > > > >links > to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note >saying all > conversations are moving over to that list. > 2. Update the website with links to the new lists > 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the >new > apache lists > > > >Perfect! That's correct Andy. > >Cheers, >Chris > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >[email protected]> wrote: > >CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM >To: jpluser <[email protected]> >Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin ><[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave ><[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > > > > >Haoyuan >Li ><[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf > > >Chowdhury ><[email protected]>, Charles Reiss > > ><[email protected]>, >Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell ><[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > > >Ryan >LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya ><[email protected]>, >Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans ><[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >Thomas >Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra ><[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman ><[email protected]>, >Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang > > ><[email protected] >, >Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath ><[email protected]>, Sean McNamara ><[email protected]>, >"Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman >Shaposhnik ><[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F >(398J)" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) > > >The mailing lists are ready: >[email protected] >[email protected] > >[email protected] > > > >You can subscribe by sending email to: >[email protected] >[email protected] >[email protected] -> This is moderated > > > > > > >and >only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. > > >Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting > > >next >week. > > >For those new to ASF, welcome! =) > > >Thanks, > > >Henry > > > > > >On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) ><[email protected]> wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > >Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual >Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please >head over to: > >http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt > > >Please fill that out and then submit to > > >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that >karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with >infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. > >Cheers, >Chris > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM >To: jpluser <[email protected]> >Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin ><[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur > > >Dave ><[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > > >Haoyuan >Li ><[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, > > >Reynold >Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman ><[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury ><[email protected]>, Charles Reiss > > > > ><[email protected] >, >Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell ><[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > > >Ryan >LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya > > ><[email protected] >, >Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans ><[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, > > >Thomas >Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra ><[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman > > ><[email protected]>, >Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang > > ><[email protected]>, >Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath ><[email protected]>, Sean McNamara > > ><[email protected]> >Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >Hi Everyone, > >Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all >to this list :) > >Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: > >http://s.apache.org/yRh > >Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone >ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: > >https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 > > >per: > >http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling > > >You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by >putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now >I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of >mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping >in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing >email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version >history transferred over, and to start moving the project >into the ASF. > >One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a >software grant on this: > >http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt > > >From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take >the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and >CC me? > >Thanks guys! Progress :) > >Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and >help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning >and helping to get the project moved on over. > >Cheers, >Chris > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
