On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Reynold Xin <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think we should avoid migrating the list too many times, especially the > user list. > > Also - are there any rules regarding maintaining a separate, non-Apache > mailing list by 3rd party? Google Groups has been very convenient for > users, both in terms of the UX and the way to quickly and easily search for > archived messages. Hi Reynold, I should look up the reference the right reference but it is not encouraged (or allowed) to use 3rd-party mailing lists. I certainly sympathize with the loss of usability when moving from google groups to ezmlm lists, but I do not think we have a choice. Suresh > > -- > Reynold Xin, AMPLab, UC Berkeley > http://rxin.org > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Andy Konwinski > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> + [email protected] to loop in those who haven't >> subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting >> bounced by Apache's spam filters). >> >> I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list >> migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for >> Spark (on Apache infra)"... >> >> Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to lists >> on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users list to >> apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only have to >> migrate it once. >> >> Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers to >> do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to an >> incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when we >> graduate to a TLP (which we hope to do fairly quickly), it seems like we >> will irritate and lose strictly more subscribers. >> >> This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache seems >> a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will go >> away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. >> podling TLPs) actually ever happen. >> >> Anyway, I see our options as: >> >> 1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group that >> is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users list >> until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. Con: it's >> confusing to have user and dev lists on different infra. >> 2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration plan I >> proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to >> users. >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" < >>> [email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>>> This is great. >>>> >>>> Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a >>>> spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> >>>> google >>>> group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have >>> somewhere >>>> to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? >>> >>> OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but >>> didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: >>> >>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator >>> >>> >>> Did you request a list yet? Should i? >>> >>> (BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all week >>> in >>> DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the >>> mailing >>>> lists over to the new ones. >>>> >>>> As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help >>>> make >>>> for a smooth transition: >>>> >>>> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) >>>> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming >>>> [email protected] is set up by then) >>>> 3. At Switch time: >>>> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with links >>>> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note >>>> saying all >>>> conversations are moving over to that list. >>>> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists >>>> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the >>> new >>>> apache lists >>> >>> Perfect! That's correct Andy. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM >>>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave >>>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, Haoyuan >>>>> Li >>>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>>>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury >>>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected]>, >>>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> Ryan >>>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>>>> <[email protected]>, >>>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >>>>> Thomas >>>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>>>> <[email protected]>, >>>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang <[email protected] >>>> , >>>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara <[email protected] >>>> , >>>>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman >>> Shaposhnik >>>>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F >>>>> (398J)" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The mailing lists are ready: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can subscribe by sending email to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> [email protected] -> This is moderated >>> and >>>>>> only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list starting >>>>> next >>>>>> week. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For those new to ASF, welcome! =) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Henry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual >>>>>> Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please >>>>>> head over to: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please fill that out and then submit to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that >>>>>> karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with >>>>>> infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM >>>>>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur Dave >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >>> Haoyuan >>>>> Li >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>>>> Reynold >>>>>> Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss <[email protected] >>>> , >>>>>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> Ryan >>>>>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> , >>>>>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >>>>> Thomas >>>>>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>>>> <[email protected]>, >>>>>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang <[email protected] >>>> , >>>>>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>>>>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara < >>> [email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all >>>>>>> to this list :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://s.apache.org/yRh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone >>>>>>> ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> per: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by >>>>>>> putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now >>>>>>> I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of >>>>>>> mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping >>>>>>> in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing >>>>>>> email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version >>>>>>> history transferred over, and to start moving the project >>>>>>> into the ASF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a >>>>>>> software grant on this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take >>>>>>> the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and >>>>>>> CC me? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks guys! Progress :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and >>>>>>> help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning >>>>>>> and helping to get the project moved on over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Spark Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >>
