On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Reynold, > > I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't > make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list > conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core > portions of open source communities at least in my experience. > > There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there > are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share > those memes and information with people to try and encourage open > source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb > all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading. > > With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing > list at this point? Can you give me an exact count? > spark-users: 868 members spark-developers: 224 members > > I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then, > migrating later from [email protected] to > [email protected] > will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we > are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o > namespace I think even now we can use spark.apache.org (*think*) > which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like > I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute > time towards making the migration as seamless as possible. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > > Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: > Created!) > > >Hi Chris, > > > >There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual emails vs > >batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not an > >absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay > >the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP. > > > > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > >[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Andy et al., > >> > >> Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group, > >> get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy > >> to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate > >> the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new > >> email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one. > >> > >> That OK? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Chris > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> Senior Computer Scientist > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> Email: [email protected] > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> > >> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM > >> To: jpluser <[email protected]> > >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > >> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: > >> Created!) > >> > >> >+ [email protected] to loop in those who haven't > >> >subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting > >> >bounced by Apache's spam filters). > >> > > >> >I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list > >> >migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki for > >> >Spark (on Apache infra)"... > >> > > >> >Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to > >> >lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the users > >> >list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only > >> >have to migrate it once. > >> > > >> > > >> >Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires subscribers > >> >to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate to > >> >an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when > >>we > >> >graduate to a TLP (which we hope to > >> > do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly > >> >more subscribers. > >> > > >> > > >> >This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache > >>seems > >> >a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will > >>go > >> >away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process (i.e. > >> >podling TLPs) actually ever happen. > >> > > >> > > >> >Anyway, I see our options as: > >> > > >> > > >> >1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group > >>that > >> >is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users > >> >list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. > >>Con: > >> >it's confusing to have user and dev > >> > lists on different infra. > >> > > >> >2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration > >>plan I > >> >proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to > >> >users. > >> > > >> >Andy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) > >> ><[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >Hi Andy, > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> > > >> >From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> > >> >Reply-To: "[email protected]" > >> ><[email protected]> > >> >Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM > >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >> > > >> >>This is great. > >> >> > >> >>Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a > >> >>spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> > >> >>google > >> >>group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have > >> somewhere > >> >>to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? > >> > > >> >OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, but > >> >didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: > >> > > >> >https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator > >> > > >> > > >> >Did you request a list yet? Should i? > >> > > >> >(BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all > >>week > >> >in > >> >DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >>Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the > >> >>mailing > >> >>lists over to the new ones. > >> >> > >> >>As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will help > >> >>make > >> >>for a smooth transition: > >> >> > >> >> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) > >> >> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming > >> >> [email protected] is set up by then) > >> >> 3. At Switch time: > >> >> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with > >>links > >> >> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note > >> >>saying all > >> >> conversations are moving over to that list. > >> >> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists > >> >> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to the > >> >>new > >> >> apache lists > >> > > >> >Perfect! That's correct Andy. > >> > > >> >Cheers, > >> >Chris > >> > > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> >Senior Computer Scientist > >> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> >Email: [email protected] > >> >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > >> >>[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) > >> >>> > >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> >>> Senior Computer Scientist > >> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> >>> Email: [email protected] > >> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > >> >>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM > >> >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> > >> >>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur > Dave > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > >>Haoyuan > >> >>>Li > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, > >> >>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf > >>Chowdhury > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss > >><[email protected]>, > >> >>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > >> Ryan > >> >>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya > >> >>><[email protected]>, > >> >>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, > >> >>>Thomas > >> >>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman > >> >>><[email protected]>, > >> >>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang > >><[email protected] > >> >, > >> >>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara > >> >>><[email protected]>, > >> >>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman > >> >>>Shaposhnik > >> >>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F > >> >>> (398J)" <[email protected]> > >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >> >>> > >> >>> >Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >The mailing lists are ready: > >> >>> >[email protected] > >> >>> >[email protected] > >> >>> > > >> >>> >[email protected] > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >You can subscribe by sending email to: > >> >>> >[email protected] > >> >>> >[email protected] > >> >>> >[email protected] -> This is moderated > >> and > >> >>> >only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list > starting > >> >>>next > >> >>> >week. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >For those new to ASF, welcome! =) > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Thanks, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Henry > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) > >> >>> ><[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Hi Everyone, > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual > >> >>> >Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please > >> >>> >head over to: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Please fill that out and then submit to > >> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >>> > > >> >>> >I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that > >> >>> >karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with > >> >>> >infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Cheers, > >> >>> >Chris > >> >>> > > >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> >>> >Senior Computer Scientist > >> >>> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> >>> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> >>> >Email: [email protected] > >> >>> >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> >>> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >-----Original Message----- > >> >>> >From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> > >> >>> >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM > >> >>> >To: jpluser <[email protected]> > >> >>> >Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur > >>Dave > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, > >> Haoyuan > >> >>>Li > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, > >> >>> Reynold > >> >>> >Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Charles Reiss > >><[email protected] > >> >, > >> >>> >Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, > >> >>>Ryan > >> >>> >LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya > >> >>><[email protected] > >> >>> >, > >> >>> >Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected] > >, > >> >>> Thomas > >> >>> >Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman > >> >>><[email protected]>, > >> >>> >Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang > >> >>><[email protected]>, > >> >>> >Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath > >> >>> ><[email protected]>, Sean McNamara > >> >>><[email protected]> > >> >>> >Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! > >> >>> > > >> >>> >>Hi Everyone, > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all > >> >>> >>to this list :) > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>http://s.apache.org/yRh > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone > >> >>> >>ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>per: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by > >> >>> >>putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now > >> >>> >>I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of > >> >>> >>mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping > >> >>> >>in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing > >> >>> >>email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version > >> >>> >>history transferred over, and to start moving the project > >> >>> >>into the ASF. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a > >> >>> >>software grant on this: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take > >> >>> >>the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and > >> >>> >>CC me? > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Thanks guys! Progress :) > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and > >> >>> >>help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning > >> >>> >>and helping to get the project moved on over. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>Cheers, > >> >>> >>Chris > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> >>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> >>> >>Senior Computer Scientist > >> >>> >>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> >>> >>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >> >>> >>Email: [email protected] > >> >>> >>WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> >>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >> >>> >>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> >>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >
