Hi Andy, Thanks for sharing. That's quite a few indeed. Like I said, I'm happy to help, I'd imagine the steps would be:
1. Notice email to [email protected] that by XXX date (mid July, mid August?) that the project will shift its focus to answering questions on [email protected]. 2. #1 will give people time to start migrating. If you want to give me a list of emails I can subscribe them to the new user list. Thoughts? Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:00 PM To: jpluser <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: Created!) > > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) ><[email protected]> wrote: > >Hey Reynold, > >I hear your pain - trust me I do - but at the same time it doesn't >make sense to half complete bringing the community over. Mailing list >conversation (especially user oriented ones) are one of the core >portions of open source communities at least in my experience. > >There are not really many hard requirements here at the ASF -- there >are social norms and memes and old fuddy duddies like me who share >those memes and information with people to try and encourage open >source best practice, while at the same time trying not to disturb >all the awesomeness going on that you guys are leading. > >With that, how many users are we talking about on the user mailing >list at this point? Can you give me an exact count? > > > > >spark-users: 868 members > >spark-developers: 224 members > > > >I'm willing to spend the time to get people migrated now. Then, >migrating later from [email protected] to >[email protected] >will be really less of a hassle and a lot less difficult since we >are really moving from ezmlm to ezmlm. Also with the $podling.i.a.o >namespace I think even now we can use >spark.apache.org <http://spark.apache.org> (*think*) >which in turn could cause even less hassle later. In addition, like >I said, when we graduate to TLP I'll also be happy to contribute >time towards making the migration as seamless as possible. > >Cheers, >Chris > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: [email protected] >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Reynold Xin <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:08 PM >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Cc: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >Created!) > >>Hi Chris, >> >>There are a lot of user preferences set by them (e.g. individual emails >>vs >>batch) that wouldn't work when you just "import". If user list is not an >>absolute requirement for the incubator, it would make sense to delay >>the migration of user lists until we are graduating to a TLP. >> >> >>On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Andy et al., >>> >>> Why don't we just collect the current subscribers to the Google Group, >>> get them to me, and I'll subscribe them to the ASF new lists? I'm happy >>> to create a user list here at the ASF for the project, and to migrate >>> the users. Then all they would have to do is remember to use the new >>> email when addressing. A change, yes, I know, but still a minimal one. >>> >>> That OK? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:04 PM >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Mailing list transition (was Re: Apache Spark podling: >>> Created!) >>> >>> >+ [email protected] to loop in those who haven't >>> >subscribed to [email protected] yet, (also because my emails are getting >>> >bounced by Apache's spam filters). >>> > >>> >I wanted to respond here in the conversation about the mailing list >>> >migration that was happening on the email thread called "Re: A wiki >>>for >>> >Spark (on Apache infra)"... >>> > >>> >Assuming that we Apache requires us to migrate from google groups to >>> >lists on Apache infra, we might consider waiting to migrating the >>>users >>> >list to apache infra until after we graduate to a TLP, so that we only >>> >have to migrate it once. >>> > >>> > >>> >Here's why. I assume with each list migration that requires >>>subscribers >>> >to do work, we will lose some subscribers. If we ask them to migrate >>>to >>> >an incubator user list now and then again to yet a different list when >>>we >>> >graduate to a TLP (which we hope to >>> > do fairly quickly), it seems like we will irritate and lose strictly >>> >more subscribers. >>> > >>> > >>> >This requirement to migrate infra twice as part of moving to Apache >>>seems >>> >a bit hard on communities. It also seems like a requirement that will >>>go >>> >away if the changes you are pushing for to the incubation process >>>(i.e. >>> >podling TLPs) actually ever happen. >>> > >>> > >>> >Anyway, I see our options as: >>> > >>> > >>> >1. Migrate only the dev list now (since this is a smaller core group >>>that >>> >is more likely to migrate with us) and wait to create an apache users >>> >list until we graduate and migrate from the users google group then. >>>Con: >>> >it's confusing to have user and dev >>> > lists on different infra. >>> > >>> >2. Move the users list now, in which case we go with the migration >>>plan I >>> >proposed earlier. Con: migrating users list twice = more irritating to >>> >users. >>> > >>> >Andy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >>> ><[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >Hi Andy, >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> > >>> >From: Andy Konwinski <[email protected]> >>> >Reply-To: "[email protected]" >>> ><[email protected]> >>> >Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:18 AM >>> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> >Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> > >>> >>This is great. >>> >> >>> >>Quick question about mailing lists: Spark also has a >>> >>spark-users<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/spark-users> >>> >>google >>> >>group. Can we also get a [email protected] mailing list to have >>> somewhere >>> >>to migrate that group? Do I need to create an infra issue for this? >>> > >>> >OK, cool yeah I think I requested commits and dev as lists earlier, >>>but >>> >didn't request a user one. To request a new list, you go here: >>> > >>> >https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator >>> > >>> > >>> >Did you request a list yet? Should i? >>> > >>> >(BTW sorry about the delay in responding was at a DARPA meeting all >>>week >>> >in >>> >DC an am just back in California now catching up on everything). >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >>Also, we should discuss a strategy, and timeline for migrating the >>> >>mailing >>> >>lists over to the new ones. >>> >> >>> >>As far as a strategy, here are the steps I can think of that will >>>help >>> >>make >>> >>for a smooth transition: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Request users list on apache infra (done) >>> >> 2. Pick a day/time for the switch (how about July 1, assuming >>> >> [email protected] is set up by then) >>> >> 3. At Switch time: >>> >> 1. Make announcements on the dev and users mailing lists with >>>links >>> >> to the new lists, instructions on how to subscribe, and a note >>> >>saying all >>> >> conversations are moving over to that list. >>> >> 2. Update the website with links to the new lists >>> >> 3. Enable an auto responders on those lists with pointers to >>>the >>> >>new >>> >> apache lists >>> > >>> >Perfect! That's correct Andy. >>> > >>> >Cheers, >>> >Chris >>> > >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> >Senior Computer Scientist >>> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> >Email: [email protected] >>> >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>> >>[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> CC'ing [email protected]: our first email to the dev list! :) >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> >>> Email: [email protected] >>> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:51 PM >>> >>> To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> >>> Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur >>>Dave >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >>>Haoyuan >>> >>>Li >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>> >>> Shivaram Venkataraman <[email protected]>, Mosharaf >>>Chowdhury >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> Ryan >>> >>> LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>> >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan <[email protected]>, >>> >>>Thomas >>> >>> Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>> >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >>><[email protected] >>> >, >>> >>> Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >>> >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <[email protected]>, Roman >>> >>>Shaposhnik >>> >>> <[email protected]>, Suresh Marru <[email protected]>, "Hart, Andrew F >>> >>> (398J)" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>> >>> >>> >Thanks for driving this forward Chris, awesome as usual! =) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >The mailing lists are ready: >>> >>> >[email protected] >>> >>> >[email protected] >>> >>> > >>> >>> >[email protected] >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >You can subscribe by sending email to: >>> >>> >[email protected] >>> >>> >[email protected] >>> >>> >[email protected] -> This is moderated >>> and >>> >>> >only Sparks' committers, PPMC could subscribe to it. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Hopefully we could start communicating using the dev@ list >>>starting >>> >>>next >>> >>> >week. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >For those new to ASF, welcome! =) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Thanks, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Henry >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >>> >>> ><[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Hi Everyone, >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Just to double check: does everyone have an Apache Individual >>> >>> >Contributor License Agreement (ICLA) on file? If you don't please >>> >>> >head over to: >>> >>> > >>> >>> >http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Please fill that out and then submit to >>> >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >I'll make sure that everyone's account gets created and that >>> >>> >karma for the Git repo is set up based on that, working with >>> >>> >infra. I or any of the other mentors can help with this too. >>> >>> > >>> >>> >Cheers, >>> >>> >Chris >>> >>> > >>> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> >>> >Senior Computer Scientist >>> >>> >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> >>> >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> >>> >Email: [email protected] >>> >>> >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> >>> >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> >>> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >>> >From: <Mattmann>, jpluser <[email protected]> >>> >>> >Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:16 PM >>> >>> >To: jpluser <[email protected]> >>> >>> >Cc: Matt Massie <[email protected]>, Reynold Xin >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Matei Zaharia <[email protected]>, Ankur >>>Dave >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Tathagata Das <[email protected]>, >>> Haoyuan >>> >>>Li >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Josh Rosen <[email protected]>, >>> >>> Reynold >>> >>> >Xin <[email protected]>, Shivaram Venkataraman >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mosharaf Chowdhury >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Charles Reiss >>><[email protected] >>> >, >>> >>> >Andy Konwinski <[email protected]>, Patrick Wendell >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Imran Rashid <[email protected]>, >>> >>>Ryan >>> >>> >LeCompte <[email protected]>, Ravi Pandya >>> >>><[email protected] >>> >>> >, >>> >>> >Ram Sriharsha <[email protected]>, Robert Evans >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Mridul Muralidharan >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >Dudziak <[email protected]>, Mark Hamstra >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Stephen Haberman >>> >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> >Jason Dai <[email protected]>, Shane Huang >>> >>><[email protected]>, >>> >>> >Andrew xia <[email protected]>, Nick Pentreath >>> >>> ><[email protected]>, Sean McNamara >>> >>><[email protected]> >>> >>> >Subject: Apache Spark podling: Created! >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>Hi Everyone, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Until our mailing lists are created, will have to just reply all >>> >>> >>to this list :) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Apache Spark (incubating) now is created! See: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>http://s.apache.org/yRh >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Yay! Thanks for the support in getting this started! I've gone >>> >>> >>ahead and filed the requisite INFRA tasks: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6417 >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>per: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>You can follow the bootstrap process at INFRA-6417, by >>> >>> >>putting yourself on the watch list for the issue. Now >>> >>> >>I'll work with infra@ to get everything set up in terms of >>> >>> >>mailing lists, etc, and then I'd appreciate everyone helping >>> >>> >>in terms of letting folks know to migrate on the existing >>> >>> >>email lists, and helping to work with me to get Git version >>> >>> >>history transferred over, and to start moving the project >>> >>> >>into the ASF. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>One other thing, Matei: it would be really nice to do a >>> >>> >>software grant on this: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>From maybe AMPLab (and anyone else). Can you help take >>> >>> >>the lead in getting that submitted to the Apache Secretary and >>> >>> >>CC me? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Thanks guys! Progress :) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Our first Incubator PMC report is due in July. I'll prod and >>> >>> >>help put it together. Until then, time to start transitioning >>> >>> >>and helping to get the project moved on over. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Cheers, >>> >>> >>Chris >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> >>> >>Senior Computer Scientist >>> >>> >>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> >>> >>Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> >>> >>Email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> >>> >>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> >>> >>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> >>> >>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > > > > > > > > >
