I don't see any personal attacks on you, nor do I feel antagonistic in any way towards you. I am not going to get into the personal attacks thing more than I have.
I would like to be able to present some ideas coherently. Your grasp of this particular area on Struts seems to me to be suspect and you seem to have no sense of the look and feel of this wiki page.
I am very interested in a debate of any kind on these things. But, you and I will have to separate our ideas on this. Yours are, simply put, the ones I jettisoned some time ago, so they hardly will fit in the center of any presentation of what I am thinking.
Why not put up your own page on those solutions instead of trying to inject them into a page that explicitly is rejecting them? I simply am trying to keep this space clean as it is a very complex page. Your efforts just muddy it up in sense and look. We have a different approach on this and are not likely to see things the same. That is of no concern to me. But, cleaning up this wiki after you on a constant basis is too much for me.
The wiki is certainly for collaborative efforts, but not all on one page? I also must state that it is clear that we have no collaboration on this point. You adapt the ImageButtonBean approach and I used and rejected that. I am presenting a series of new approaches.
You continue to put the old approach right in the middle of the wiki. That is not collaboration. We are not going to collaborate here. We disagree, apparently. That is okay. Part of the wiki is presenting alternative ideas, I would think. Why won't you let me do that in peace?
Is there no place to present alternative solutions to what you like, without you putting in what you like in those places? That is the difficulty.
I appreciate all you have done and I appreciate the ImageButtonBean solution too, although I am certain it is outmoded and vastly inferior. Like I said, I have no animosity towards you. All I am is upset at having to clean up the messes. Hopefully this will be a new day. I don't want to get too huffed up about your changes, or the wiki will be nuked.
Michael McGrady
Niall Pemberton wrote:
OK Contact me off list if you wish, however....
I respected what you requested in the "FiveMultipleButtonsSolution" wiki page and all I did was add two links which were related to the subject - I added no opinions, just the links which is what you suggested people should do. You then added opinions on that page (seems to me you should have put them on the comments page you set up and asked others to use?) and you also put references to me all over the page. I was not happy with you making reference to me so last night I went through removing all those references. If you hadn't put my name all over that page then the only thing I would have changed was adding the two links to alternatives.
The whole idea of a wiki is a collaborative effort - but you seem to want your own personal space which no-one else should touch, maybe if thats the case then you should go put it on your own blog and just provide a link to it directly from the wiki. If you do, please though, don't include any reference to me - just tell people what your opnions are.
I also don't understand why you constantly resort to personal attacks on me - I haven't done that to you. For example in this message why do you say "without much knowledge of this area" - whether its true or not, its unecessary and rude.
Niall
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McGrady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Struts Wiki Etiquette: Niall's Help
I am trying to make the wiki on multiple buttons readable, despite being detailed and long. I have had to spend quite a bit of time doing that because Niall comes behind me and changes things in ways that effectively confuses the issue.
I would contact him directly on this, but he has asked me to not do that.
You added solutions which I was trying to avoid, Niall, to the wiki. Then, in order not to confuse the reader, I added small critiques of the links you provided. Now you have moved the critiques to places where they make no sense and have altered my words similarly.
Is there any sense to this or am I completely captured by Niall's status and incapable of making this wiki remain readable? If there is no way to keep this wiki safe from Niall, I would rather remove it altogether and just provide a link to a place he cannot rearrange at his whim and without much knowledge of this area.
Michael McGrady
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