Comments inline... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael McGrady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: September 24, 2004 11:48 AM > To: Struts Developers List > Subject: Re: Struts Wiki Etiquette: Niall's Help > > > Hello, Steve, > > Thank you for your suggestion. I may have to do that. > > I have been using the wiki to present ideas on Struts generally and on > buttons in particular for some time and had no difficulty until I > criticised the DispatchAction solution and its progeny as well as the > ImageButtonBean. I would like to be a part of this community if I can > do so without having to agree or to appear to agree with ideas I do not > care to advance or to advocate. I thought and still think that this > must be possible.
You can disagree with anything you like. Just focus on the technical merits, not personal abilities or attributes. Avoid making sweeping statements without evidence (e.g. "Struts is bloated", "Your grasp of this particular area on Struts seems to me to be suspect") and stick to technical specifics that you can support and justify. The edits I have made have been to either remove opinonated comments that I thought were uncalled for or to insert notes making it clear that you were expressing a personal opinion that was not neccesarily shared by all. I have not tried to stifle your technical contributions, even where unjustifiably (IMO) critical. I haven't seen anyone else try to stifle you either. They have just added additional information to help provide a more balanced argument. If anything, you have tried to stifle criticism of your ideas by stating that your critics do not know what they are talking about and by taking a proprietary attitude to the Wiki. My overriding concern is that someone will read those pages and take them as a) official Apache Struts advice or b) a consensus view formed by the Struts community. This whole business has made me think very carefully about those issues and how, as a project, we can monitor the content of the Wiki to ensure that it remains a helpful resource. > > I am not sure whether you are saying what I can say in criticism of > these ideas is limited here or what. I know that I personally cannot > control, nor do I wish to, whether or not someone decides to put > something in the middle of my presentation. That is and has been a > fact. I more than anyone am mindful of that fact. > > I don't know if there are any "rules" on that. Don't you think there > should be? Am I alone in thinking that putting ideas I am trying to > discard or to suggest that we discard into the middle of my presentation > is not the high water mark in courtesy? Like the mailing list, there are no "rules" only the general consensus of people using the Wiki. I would expect people making additions to existing content to insert additional contributions at appropriate places. However, "appropriate" is not defined by just one person. > > Is this not something that is fair discussion on the Struts wiki? I > admit that I have not been happy with having to deal with and to > reorganize constantly due to this happening. I thought, however, that > discussing it might be better than just leaving without seeing whether > or not there were some implicit if not explict rules on this thing. As I suggested earlier, it might make more sense to organize your contributions before posting them to the Wiki. Firstly, this will prevent other people from making changes / additions before you have completed / organized yours. Secondly, this would keep down the number of edits and notifications to the dev list. > > I hope you can see this at least a bit from my perspective. Or, do you > think that my side of this deal has no validity whatsoever? Is the > request to allow me to fill out this page and to add comments at the end > or separately totally unreasonable? I do think you are being unreasonable in expecting people to follow your format and directions on a public, communal Wiki. It is up to individual contributors to decide where their contributions are most appropriate. For the kind of control you are looking for, I think you need to set up your own web page, with comments or not as you see fit. If you just want to get your contributions organized before other people start making edits, then best to do that offline where you won't be interrupted. Steve > > Michael McGrady --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
