>Science favors measurable differences - if you make arguments please back
those up with hard numbers. Otherwise you are just another troll shouting
that T5 is shit compared to product x.
I absolutely agree that we al need measurements. I have explained my point
of view in my answer to Thiago a minute ago. However if team A tells team B:
take some tests, implement them using our ("A") technology and tell the
numbers that will not work. Example: Tapestry team claims that Tapestry is
better than 10 other technologies. Will Tapestry team implement some tests
using all those technologies in the row? Apparently not. And proposal like
that raises a suspicion that in fact nothing happens. The only honest and
doable approach is if each team implements a common set of tests using its
own technology.
I never said that T5 is shit. Maybe you think so - I do not know. To be
explicit - when I compare Tapestry with Spring MVC, JSF, Wicket or Struts 2
(not to mention less spread) I say the Tapestry is the best by it’s
concepts. And the most important one is the MVC component model. It does not
mean that T is perfect.
>And you must sell your solution to us. You're not doing a very convincing
job right now..
I am making just first steps in that. The first step is gathering
information. I appreciate clarifications that I got from Thiago and I asked
more questions. Before I have enough information I will not claim anything
as final. As to performance - here only measurements may be reliable.
>Why would I need to learn yet new language?
When you right a simple program on Java then Java is your language. When you
create a web application you often have to use several languages. Mark-up
language for View, XML for configuration, some JSTL pre-existing toys for
logic in the presentation layer, some stuff for EL and so on. HybridJava
eliminates a lot of those. In fact HybridJava is not a new language at all,
rather a synthesis of Java and HTML with very small overhead,
>And why do you compare your product to jsp or struts
(http://www.hybridjava.com:8080/, http://www.hybridserverpages.com/), those
are very outdated, that does not leave good impression either. World has
moved since 2000 you know.
However Tapestry site also compares to JSP. And Thiago in his mail refers to
comparison of Tapestry to Struts 1 research. Double standard? Right now I am
(as I hope) to comparing to Tapestry so that will change on HybridJava site.
Thank you for advice.
>If you provide something truly innovative and something that enables people
to make more money people will instantly buy it. The only problem is that
you have not convinced me that your product is worth buying or using. Prove
me wrong, and I'll use it.
Honestly - a confusing question for me. I do want to know more about
Tapestry - I try to understand it (even though some info taken from Tapestry
site proved to be misleading). I ask specific questions. Either you have
read our site and understood everything (so you do not ask any questions at
all) or you in reality did not read it. The most simple thing is that
Tapestry does not support recursion. I would understand if you wrote that
recursion is not that important, but I am not sure you've noticed that
HybridJava does support. More importand properties are featured there too.
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