I don't see TomEE as the center of the world, but somewhere where people
should be free to work without constantly being told it's not OK to do so.
On 19/03/18 10:45, Mark Struberg wrote:
@Anydy and @David
Let's face it TomEE is mostly an aggregator. A great one, I really love it -
but still.
For example: apart from verifying and excluding all the broken TCKs I had probably 30 committs for TomEE8 which are really due to upgrades for EE8. Most of them have been CDI-2.0 adoptions and adopting to Tomcat behaviour changes.
But apart from that Romain I had about 4000 commits in all the other projects,
all for TomEE8. And there are many more people and projects involved which just
get consumed by TomEE:
* Tomcat* OpenWebBeans* MyFaces
* Johnzon* OpenJPA* BVal* log4j* commons* BatchEE
* various geronimo libs like * xbean, * geronimo-jta, * geronimo-javamail, tons
of * geronimo-specs
Folks, you have to stop thinking as TomEE as being the center of the world. I
love TomEE and it's a great aggregator and a great community.
But building TomEE is literally just the tip of the iceberg. All the work on
the parts under the water - which is the vast majority - is done FOR TomEE but
*not* AT TomEE!So don't fight those communities but embrace them.
This is not a one way street.
We (TomEE) should be really much more active in pointing that out TomEE
contributors are perfectly welcome to tinker around in all the downstream
projects as well. And the other way around.
We need EACH OTHER! TomEE as kind of end-user projects which adds a huge
adoption factor. And of course the components underneath as a rock solid base.
LieGrue,strub
On Monday, 19 March 2018, 09:37:36 CET, Andy Gumbrecht
<agumbre...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
I think that if anyone feels like contributing to TomEE then we should
allow and encourage that as soon as possible. The politics of where
things should 'eventually' reside is a huge distraction and just serves
to block any progress at the moment - The enthusiasm dies quickly after
a week of back and forth. The first choice for anything should be TomEE,
as that is the community we serve. The first response should be thank
you, and we should accept the help offered. Then those that want to
worry about extraction and reuse should feel free to go ahead and do
that if they feel strongly enough about it. It should not be the
priority for TomEE.
The goal should be to get TomEE on the MP board as soon as possible. If
that initially means TomEE 8, Java 8, and accepting a few PRs then we
should press ahead with that now. Anything that might need back-porting
can be addressed later.
Andy.
On 19/03/18 01:02, David Blevins wrote:
On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you against/-1ing g-jwt-auth?
I wouldn't do that, but it's also clear to me the discussion in this thread can be
significantly clearer. Objections were made that weren't resolved. The discussion
started as what do "we" do with we meaning TomEE and Geronimo. At some point
in the middle it was stated Geronimo has already made a decision. I also have the
feeling people may have opinions that are in-between a full TomEE vs Geronimo decision,
such as wanting to put work into inching closer to get a better view before deciding.
I think all these things are fine, but we need some healthy votes so people can
move forward with clear support.
-David
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