On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 23:33 Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> The fact is, the world has moved away from quoted mail with inline replies. > Top posting rules basically everywhere except hold-out old-school mailing > lists. Gmail, both on the web and _especially_ on mobile, makes it almost > impossible to do quoting and inline replies properly. I can't imagine other > big consumer email providers are much better. > > Yes, this sucks for having nuanced point-by-point discussions. But I don't > think that's a tide we're really going to hold back. We should look at > other > tools that fit with the way people do asynchronous online discussion today. > As Brian noted, we're trying out Discourse at > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ > — if you're interested in trying it out, come join the conversation there. > How can we get our space there? Packaging and Rust topics. On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 03:51:51PM +0530, Manas Mangaonkar wrote: > > all this aside,HTML mail format is difficult to qoute and reply on > > mobile,plain text would be nice. > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd < > bexel...@redhat.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:44 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > > > <domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 03 October 2018 at 08:38, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > > > * Iñaki Ucar: > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, it would be easier for everybody if the mailing list could > > > > > > automatically strip out the HTML part. Some projects do this > (e.g., > > > > > > R). > > > > > > > > > > In many cases, the quoting in the text/html part is easier to read > > > (it's > > > > > clearer who wrote what) than in the text/plain part. > > > > > > > > For me it's actually the other way around, because HTML part gets > > > > processed by lynx. Quoting is marked by identation, which is not > > > > automatically highlighted by VIM, while the > prefix in the > text/plain > > > > part is. > > > > > > > > But that's beside the point. My point was about excessive and > > > > unnecessary bandwith usage (the same information gets sent twice). > > > > > > I respect this issue, but I wonder if it this is a situation where we > > > are trying to solve a problem for a small number of people by > > > potential inconveniencing or excluding a lot of people. > > > > > > While Internet plans vary, I wonder how many pay per bit? In > > > September, if you assume every message sent to devel list was plain > > > text and you further assume that the html version was 1.25 times > > > longer then the total traffic for the month would have been about 10.6 > > > MB. While this is 2.25 more bits than were actually sent (based on > > > disk size), is it really a problem we should invest effort in fixing? > > > > > > We know that more and more people are using mailers which can > > > accidentally or purposefully send HTML mail. We know that we want to > > > attract people, and not create unneeded barriers to entry. Saying > > > that you have to change your email client to participate in Fedora is > > > a huge disincentive. We are effectively putting a sign on the door > > > saying "go away." > > > > > > I suggest that if we think this is a serious issue and that we want to > > > get the maximum possible help to those who are forced to pay by the > > > bit that we stop sending them mail they don't need all together. Lets > > > move this mailing list (and others) to discussion.fedoraproject.org. > > > There the person will be given the ability to select exactly which > > > subjects they see and allow to be transmitted down the wire. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > bex > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dominik > > > > -- > > > > Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org > > > > There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and > > > > oppression to develop psychic muscles. > > > > -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess > Irulan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > > > > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject. > > > org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Brian (bex) Exelbierd | bexel...@redhat.com | b...@pobox.com > > > Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator > > > @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > > > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists. > > > fedoraproject.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > -- > Matthew Miller > <mat...@fedoraproject.org> > Fedora Project Leader > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- -Igor Gnatenko
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