On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:15 PM Jeremy Cline <jer...@jcline.org> wrote:
> Hi Leigh, > > On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 17:00 +0100, Leigh Griffin wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jeremy Cline <jer...@jcline.org> > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 05:38 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 5:29 AM Michal Konecny < > > > mkone...@redhat.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > On 03/04/2020 01:25, Jeremy Cline wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2020-04-02 at 11:52 +0100, Leigh Griffin wrote: > > > > > > > The number of active developers on Fedora initiatives has > > > gone > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > drastically since I joined the team in 2019. You are > > > possibly > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > seeing that as the team have moved from a model of siloed > > > work > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > multiple apps, swimming against the tid working 16 hour > > > days, > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > working on team oriented initiatives to add real value to > > > the > > > > > > > ecosystem. So the noise of working on multiple small things > > > at > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > is not as loud as it was in 2018 which is giving that > > > illusion. > > > > > > I'd always suspected my work added no real value, but never > > > had > > > > > > the > > > > > > proof. I appreciate the validation . > > > > Sorry I missed this among the thread splits and dozens of other > > replies. Ping me offlist if you have specific concerns as I do not > > believe my comment infers a lack of value in your work or any other > > contributor for that matter and the wealth of positive comments since > > is validating that your contributions were indeed most welcome and > > appreciative. If I did somehow infer that your work had no value, I > > do apologise, lets connect though if you have concerns. > > > > I'm not sure how to be more specific, but here goes: > > When you said "the team have moved from a model of siloed work on > multiple apps, swimming against the tid[e] working 16 hour days, to > working on team oriented initiatives to add *real value* to the > ecosystem" (emphasis is mine in order to be more specific), it made me > feel that what you are saying is prior work didn't add "real value". > Other comments you have made in this thread (e.g. "We aren't in the > habit of inventing work to do for ourselves anymore") re-enforce this > feeling. > > While you may believe your comments never implied a lack of value, > I'm not sure how else to interpret your comments throughout this > thread. > Thanks for the clarity Jeremy, I'm sorry if you took my mail up as implying a lack of value from how the team historically worked. As a team we are being tasked more and more with adding what I call real value which is at a new app / service level that has scale, quality and requirements that historically a single developer could not call on. We had some superhuman developers in the past in the team that were able to do every single thing an application needed and produced some wonderful applications that in truth would have taken 10 or more developers to replicate. That team has moved on now and the old style of working was not going to meet the needs and wants of our stakeholders (in this case Fedora Council) and a repurposing of the team to make visible impacts was undertaken. So while we cannot have multiple commits across a plethora of services, we are not focusing our efforts on singular services at a time to generate a value proposition for the community. Sorry once again if you took my comment up as being a sleight, it was most definitely not intended and you have my sincere apologies. > > - Jeremy > > -- Leigh Griffin Engineering Manager Red Hat Waterford <https://www.redhat.com/> Communications House Cork Road, Waterford City lgrif...@redhat.com M: +353877545162 IM: lgriffin @redhatjobs <https://twitter.com/redhatjobs> redhatjobs <https://www.facebook.com/redhatjobs> @redhatjobs <https://instagram.com/redhatjobs> <https://red.ht/sig>
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