On Jul 25, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote: >> >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Anca Paula Luca wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Vincent Massol wrote: >>>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Anca Paula Luca wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Vincent Massol wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Anca Paula Luca wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Vincent Massol wrote: >>>>>>>> I'd be fine with >>>>>>>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExternalNews/WebHome >>>>>>>> but I think it's better to have a top level domain name for >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> reasons: >>>>>>>> * better visibility >>>>>>>> * easier to go to rather than having to go xwiki.org and click >>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>> * easier for upgrades (XE on xwiki.org and watch are separate) >>>>>>> this makes me +1 for a separate wiki. I would have had it in the >>>>>>> watch wiki on >>>>>>> xwiki.org but, since the goal is to have the latest version of >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>> running >>>>>>> there, we need to make sure it is freely upgradable (which can >>>>>>> require upgrading >>>>>>> the underlying XE). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Otherwise, I still think it should be on watch.xwiki.org rather >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> xwiki.org >>>>>>> for consistency reasons, since it would be a demo of watch -- >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> is the main >>>>>>> purpose as I see it, allowing people to click around and have a >>>>>>> quick look >>>>>>> without having to download, install, etc. >>>>>> Then we still have a disagreement :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now (and I'd like to keep it this way) all wikis on the >>>>>> xwiki.org domain are for *real*. They are not test platforms for >>>>>> people to see how xwiki works and have some fun trying it. They >>>>>> have >>>>>> real usages (documentation of the xwiki software). >>>>>> We have one exception: this is playground.xwiki.org which is >>>>>> there >>>>>> for >>>>>> people to test and play around. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus my proposal is: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) have a new wiki (news.xwiki.org, same as we have >>>>>> jira.xwiki.org, >>>>>> svn.xwiki.org and maven.xwiki.org) which will be our news >>>>>> "portal". >>>>>> Note: It will also listen to the xwiki.org Blog feed. >>>>>> 2) have a Watch space in playground.xwiki.org for people to try >>>>>> out >>>>>> Watch. >>>>> it makes a lot of sense, so: >>>>> +0 for 1: it would be nice to have it, it would be nice to have it >>>>> working >>>>> properly (having people *really* collaboratively watching) but >>>>> that >>>>> is not the >>>>> purpose I started this thread for. >>>> >>>> I think we would learn a lot from it, eating our own dog food at >>>> the >>>> community level. >>>> >>>>> +1 for 2, since this one is :). But now we're back one mail to the >>>>> upgrade >>>>> problem: I would like to have always the last version of watch >>>>> running in the >>>>> playground, which could require platform / XE upgrades, from >>>>> time to >>>>> time, since >>>>> the plugins & modules that watch is using don't really have their >>>>> own lifecycle, >>>>> yet. >>>> >>>> We need to talk to Raff. I think right now playground is a >>>> subwiki on >>>> the xwiki.org farm. >>>> >>>> Right now the xwiki.org is upgraded to the latest version of XE >>>> whenever it's released (within 1 or 2 weeks usually) so I don't >>>> see a >>>> problem. When we do this upgrade we can upgrade watch too. And if >>>> the >>>> watch releases comes later we upgrade watch only. Unless final >>>> watch >>>> releases use non final XE releases. Is that the case? >>> >>> no, it is not. >>> But XWatch milestones do use XE milestones and, since Watch release >>> cycles are >>> pretty long for the moment, it would be interesting to have all >>> milestones. >>> Do we use milestones on xwiki.org? >> >> No. XWiki.org must be stable. > > Shouldn't the watch instance (news.xwiki.org or the name we will > find for > it) be hosted on a different server anyway ? At least to begin with, I > think it would be safer not to take the risk having xwiki.org > stability > and performances be affected by the introduction of the watch > instance. > This would allow too to have a separate upgrade cycle, and possibly > upgrade to milestones as well. > > For the name, I have a (little) problem with news.xwiki.org : it > kind of > implies it is news from xwiki (like a blog feed), and we should/will > watch > on a wider spectrum than that IMO. But I cannot figure out a better > name > :p > I though about wikinews.xwiki.org, wikiwatch.xwiki.org, > monitoring.xwiki.org but it does not sound as good as > news.xwiki.org...
It depends how you view xwiki. If you think of it as an ecosystem it's less of an issue IMO. However you're right, it raises the question of what we want to survey. Several options: * news only related to xwiki, i.e. articles, blogs, etc * news related to wikis in general * news related to collaboration tools I don't think we can say right now what it'll be. wikinews is too restrictive for collaborative news. I think I still prefer news as it's generic, short and concise. We can explain on the home page what it's about. Thanks -Vincent >> >> I'd suggest you make smaller release cycles :) That can only be good! >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> [snip] _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
