On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 16:09, Marius Dumitru Florea<[email protected]> wrote: > Anca Luca wrote: >> Thomas Mortagne wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 15:18, Anca Luca<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Vincent Massol wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Let's vote on how to handle the title behavior for the 2.0 final >>>>> release so that we're all on the same page. >>>>> >>>>> After talking to several people here's what I propose: >>>>> >>>>> 1) We remove the top level H1 only if the title compat flag is on and >>>>> the title H1 is the same as the top level H1 >>>>> 2) The compat flag is off by default in our distributions >>>> Couldn't this be fixed by migration so that we make sure all documents in >>>> a 2.0 >>>> instance are "clean": they have a title, same as the heading 1 if title >>>> misses >>>> or just the title if title = heading 1? If I understand correctly this >>>> would >>>> only be needed by upgraders, so why not build them correct documents >>>> instead of >>>> providing a flag to switch? >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3) We modify the Toucan and Albatross skins to display the title (same >>>>> as Colibri) >>>> -0 >>>> >>>> I don't like this idea of modifying the old skins: we're building a new, >>>> better >>>> skin, right? it's one of the improvements of the new skin over old skins, >>>> if >>>> people want to still use toucan and benefit from this, they should hack it >>>> themselves at their own risks (if any). It seems cleaner, even if not very >>>> user-friendly. >>>> >>>>> 4) We modify the Default XE XAR to have titles for all its pages (and >>>>> remove the header 1 in page content) > >>>> This should also mean changing all =headings= to ==headings==, since > > On the contrary, this means promoting level 2 headings to level 1 since > the level one has become the title. But this should happen only to > documents that have just one H1 that plays the role of a title. > >>> This is wrong, = does not mean page title, it mean level one section >>> header. The fact that the graphical title of the page is a <h1> or >>> something else is a skin implementation details it should not impact >>> the content that way. >> > >> Then it should be implemented with a h2 (so that there is semantic room for >> the >> doc title), or we drop the idea of a document title that encompasses the >> whole >> content (because there is no way we can build a coherent document from a >> semantic pov, wiki & html). > > IMO the title of a document is _above_ the level one headings which are > like the chapters of a book.
+1 > > Thanks, > Marius > >> >> Thanks, >> Anca >> >>>> semantically speaking, now that the page title is displayed with h1, >>>> everything >>>> under should be a h2, in a "normal" semantic. >>>> I don't see any use case when, in the document, there is a heading as >>>> important >>>> as the page title, but I agree we should allow it (if a user really really >>>> wants >>>> it). >>>> >>>> Actually, that's how I now see the structure of a document (how it should >>>> be >>>> built to be "correct"): >>>> title: |Page_title________________ >>>> >>>> == first section >>>> lorem ipsum >>>> == second section >>>> lorem ipsum >>>> >>>> Now, this would require adjusting section editing and default toc. >>>> >>>> In a doc structure based on h1 sections, we should provide section editing >>>> for >>>> the document title (so that the first section of the document can be edited >>>> through its associated H1) -- would this actually make sense for the user? >>>> >>>>> This should cover both user upgrades and new behavior. Note that user >>>>> custom skin will still work in most cases since they're not normally >>>>> touching the contentview.vm file. >>>>> >>>>> Here's my +1 >>>> otherwise 0, >>>> it's hard to have an opinion, nothing seems right... >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Anca >>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
