On 02/01/2010 01:28 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote: > Ecaterina Valica wrote: >> IMO: >> >> There is an Add button in the Annotation Options Area. >> >> - I go to the content >> - I SELECT the text >> - I press: >> - OR the Add button >> - OR Ctrl + defined key >> - A popup at the selected text location appears to let me add an annotation. >> >> This way I can select the text without any problem in my usual copy/paste >> rutine. And when I want to add an annotation I simply click a button or have >> a key shortcut. >> >> I don't understand why it is necessarily to have the Ctrl activated when I >> do my selection or any other versions that appear boxes when I select text. > > Same here. > > I like the idea that the "add" button appears when selecting text > (without the CTRL key). > > It also enable some discoverability of the feature (I'm sure lot of us > users have that habit to select text as we read)
But that would be solution behind door number 3, what Cati is proposing above is the button in the annotations options area, which is at the top of the document + a key shortcut to 'click' that button even when you don't see it. Thanks, Anca > > Jerome. > >> >> 3) is ok too >> >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 18:48, Sergiu Dumitriu<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 01/29/2010 05:39 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>> Hi Sergiu >>>> >>>> On 01/29/2010 06:28 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: >>>>> On 01/29/2010 03:53 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>> Short story: >>>>>> Can't use modifier keys since there is no decent cross browser >>> alternative. >>>>>> New "default" way: >>>>>> 1/ current solution presented at >>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal#HAddbut >>>>>> with more accessible "add" button (options?) >>>>>> 2/ when annotations are shown simple select triggers the display of >>> annotation >>>>>> dialog >>>>>> 3/ simple select displays a little add icon to be clicked and display >>> the >>>>>> annotation dialog (1/ with button next to selection) >>>>>> 4/ checkbox to enable 2/ >>>>>> >>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I like 2 or 4. >>>>> I prefer 3. Without a mouse it's easy to break a selection, so here one >>>>> saved click sometimes means an extra close dialog. >>>> I don't know if I understand exactly, but for me any would go, so I >>> registered >>>> your opinion. >>> It's not a strong opinion, and definitely not a -1 for all the others, >>> just my preference. >>> >>>>> But I wonder how will it be implemented, simple onmousedown/onmouseup >>>>> handlers?What happens if I select text using the keyboard? >>>> I can look into selection handlers, but if it takes too long, I will do >>> mouseup >>>> mousedown since frankly, without being disrespectful to users needs, I >>> doubt >>>> there would be anyone else selecting text with the keyboard. >>> As long as it will be easy to change the trigger later, feel free to >>> take the easiest approach at the moment. >>> >>>>> What happens >>>>> if I select text with the mouse then adjust the selection with the >>> keyboard? >>>> That would be simple, I could just use whatever selection in the document >>> when >>>> user clicks the "add annotation" button (the form submit that is). >>> Then this is good enough for my needs. >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Anca >>>> >>>>>> See below for long version. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Anca >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/29/2010 04:36 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/16/2010 09:14 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> * adding an annotation could be done by pushing the "add button" then >>> going in >>>>>>>> the content& selecting text and when the mouse is up, the create >>> window >>>>>>>> appears. In other words, pushing the add button would have the same >>> behaviour as >>>>>>>> holding the CTRL key down. Speaking of which, it seems that CTRL + >>> select is >>>>>>>> reserved in firefox for selecting a table or smth, and I also think >>> it's >>>>>>>> reserved to selecting full words in IEs. Could you investigate on >>> that and try >>>>>>>> to figure out what other modifier could do the job? (if a modifier is >>> required) >>>>>>> I had a look at this and I have the following results: >>>>>>> * CTRL + select text: >>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for 'select full paragraph' in IE >>> browsers >>>>>>> which means it will select the entire paragraph and will be hard to >>> get the >>>>>>> selection working normally on the text you want to add annotation on >>> (it's >>>>>>> possible to get to a normal select mode but with some pain). I haven't >>> found a >>>>>>> way to prevent that behaviour >>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for selecting entire table cells in >>> Firefox: >>>>>>> cannot select only the text in a cell, by any means. I haven't found a >>> way to >>>>>>> prevent that behaviour >>>>>>> * ALT + select text: >>>>>>> - seems to be fine on all browsers, doesn't interfere with any other >>> reserved >>>>>>> keys (tested on firefox, chrome, IE) under windows, some mac BUT >>>>>>> - on Ubuntu, the ALT+drag combination is a system function for moving >>> windows >>>>>>> around on the screen. There is no way I can 'override' that from the >>> browser. >>>>>>> * SHIFT + select text: >>>>>>> - It's weird on ff and chrome since it's an accessibility shortcut for >>> selecting >>>>>>> text (for those who cannot drag). Namely if you hold shift while mouse >>> down, it >>>>>>> will select all the content from the last click you made.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because of all these, I think it would be hard to rely on some >>> modifier key, so >>>>>>> we need a more accessible alternative. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By also looking at some other annotations in other applications, I see >>> the >>>>>>> following options: >>>>>>> 1/ the alternative described at: >>>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal#HAdd(but >>>>>>> which has dissappeared from the last proposal at >>>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal/integrated.png >>>>>>> ), except that it should be more accessible since it would now be the >>> default >>>>>>> way of adding annotations. (making it visible on scroll for example) >>>>>>> 2/ while annotations are 'activated' (all or partially displayed on >>> the >>>>>>> document) simply selecting (no modifier) will trigger the annotation >>> dialog >>>>>>> 3/ simply selecting always displays a little icon which can be clicked >>> to open >>>>>>> the create dialog (for example, the way the accelerators icon is added >>> to >>>>>>> selected text on IE8). It would less annoy regular selection, and also >>> enable >>>>>>> annotations on it, but it's an extraclick to add an annotation >>>>>>> 4/ provide a checkbox "annotations mode", which when activated >>> (regardless of >>>>>>> whether other annotations are displayed or not), will trigger >>> annotation add >>>>>>> dialog on simple select. This solution is similar to 1/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WDYT? How would you see it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, >>>>>>> Anca >>> >>> -- >>> Sergiu Dumitriu >>> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
