I'm +1 for 3), selecting text make a little button to appear near the selection. If it's only a small button I don't see why it would break the normal selection process.
Thanks, JV. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote: > On 02/01/2010 12:23 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: >> IMO: >> >> There is an Add button in the Annotation Options Area. >> >> - I go to the content >> - I SELECT the text >> - I press: >> - OR the Add button >> - OR Ctrl + defined key >> - A popup at the selected text location appears to let me add an annotation. >> >> This way I can select the text without any problem in my usual copy/paste >> rutine. And when I want to add an annotation I simply click a button or have >> a key shortcut. > > +1, the annotation creation should not break the normal selection process. > >> I don't understand why it is necessarily to have the Ctrl activated when I >> do my selection or any other versions that appear boxes when I select text. >> >> 3) is ok too >> >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 18:48, Sergiu Dumitriu<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 01/29/2010 05:39 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>> Hi Sergiu >>>> >>>> On 01/29/2010 06:28 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: >>>>> On 01/29/2010 03:53 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>> Short story: >>>>>> Can't use modifier keys since there is no decent cross browser >>> alternative. >>>>>> >>>>>> New "default" way: >>>>>> 1/ current solution presented at >>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal#HAddbut >>>>>> with more accessible "add" button (options?) >>>>>> 2/ when annotations are shown simple select triggers the display of >>> annotation >>>>>> dialog >>>>>> 3/ simple select displays a little add icon to be clicked and display >>> the >>>>>> annotation dialog (1/ with button next to selection) >>>>>> 4/ checkbox to enable 2/ >>>>>> >>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I like 2 or 4. >>>>> >>>>> I prefer 3. Without a mouse it's easy to break a selection, so here one >>>>> saved click sometimes means an extra close dialog. >>>> >>>> I don't know if I understand exactly, but for me any would go, so I >>> registered >>>> your opinion. >>> >>> It's not a strong opinion, and definitely not a -1 for all the others, >>> just my preference. >>> >>>>> >>>>> But I wonder how will it be implemented, simple onmousedown/onmouseup >>>>> handlers?What happens if I select text using the keyboard? >>>> >>>> I can look into selection handlers, but if it takes too long, I will do >>> mouseup >>>> mousedown since frankly, without being disrespectful to users needs, I >>> doubt >>>> there would be anyone else selecting text with the keyboard. >>> >>> As long as it will be easy to change the trigger later, feel free to >>> take the easiest approach at the moment. >>> >>>>> What happens >>>>> if I select text with the mouse then adjust the selection with the >>> keyboard? >>>> >>>> That would be simple, I could just use whatever selection in the document >>> when >>>> user clicks the "add annotation" button (the form submit that is). >>> >>> Then this is good enough for my needs. >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Anca >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> See below for long version. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Anca >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/29/2010 04:36 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/16/2010 09:14 PM, Anca Luca wrote: >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> * adding an annotation could be done by pushing the "add button" then >>> going in >>>>>>>> the content& selecting text and when the mouse is up, the create >>> window >>>>>>>> appears. In other words, pushing the add button would have the same >>> behaviour as >>>>>>>> holding the CTRL key down. Speaking of which, it seems that CTRL + >>> select is >>>>>>>> reserved in firefox for selecting a table or smth, and I also think >>> it's >>>>>>>> reserved to selecting full words in IEs. Could you investigate on >>> that and try >>>>>>>> to figure out what other modifier could do the job? (if a modifier is >>> required) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a look at this and I have the following results: >>>>>>> * CTRL + select text: >>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for 'select full paragraph' in IE >>> browsers >>>>>>> which means it will select the entire paragraph and will be hard to >>> get the >>>>>>> selection working normally on the text you want to add annotation on >>> (it's >>>>>>> possible to get to a normal select mode but with some pain). I haven't >>> found a >>>>>>> way to prevent that behaviour >>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for selecting entire table cells in >>> Firefox: >>>>>>> cannot select only the text in a cell, by any means. I haven't found a >>> way to >>>>>>> prevent that behaviour >>>>>>> * ALT + select text: >>>>>>> - seems to be fine on all browsers, doesn't interfere with any other >>> reserved >>>>>>> keys (tested on firefox, chrome, IE) under windows, some mac BUT >>>>>>> - on Ubuntu, the ALT+drag combination is a system function for moving >>> windows >>>>>>> around on the screen. There is no way I can 'override' that from the >>> browser. >>>>>>> * SHIFT + select text: >>>>>>> - It's weird on ff and chrome since it's an accessibility shortcut for >>> selecting >>>>>>> text (for those who cannot drag). Namely if you hold shift while mouse >>> down, it >>>>>>> will select all the content from the last click you made.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because of all these, I think it would be hard to rely on some >>> modifier key, so >>>>>>> we need a more accessible alternative. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By also looking at some other annotations in other applications, I see >>> the >>>>>>> following options: >>>>>>> 1/ the alternative described at: >>>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal#HAdd(but >>>>>>> which has dissappeared from the last proposal at >>>>>>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal/integrated.png >>>>>>> ), except that it should be more accessible since it would now be the >>> default >>>>>>> way of adding annotations. (making it visible on scroll for example) >>>>>>> 2/ while annotations are 'activated' (all or partially displayed on >>> the >>>>>>> document) simply selecting (no modifier) will trigger the annotation >>> dialog >>>>>>> 3/ simply selecting always displays a little icon which can be clicked >>> to open >>>>>>> the create dialog (for example, the way the accelerators icon is added >>> to >>>>>>> selected text on IE8). It would less annoy regular selection, and also >>> enable >>>>>>> annotations on it, but it's an extraclick to add an annotation >>>>>>> 4/ provide a checkbox "annotations mode", which when activated >>> (regardless of >>>>>>> whether other annotations are displayed or not), will trigger >>> annotation add >>>>>>> dialog on simple select. This solution is similar to 1/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WDYT? How would you see it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, >>>>>>> Anca > > > -- > Sergiu Dumitriu > http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
