Let's say I'm ok with the list - but not very happy about the secrecy trend.
Thanks, Caty On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 13:34, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:33, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> after thinking about it (and an IRL discussion with Vincent) here's my > >> updated point of view on this: > >> > >> - Have a private mailing list for committers > >> - If a committer feels that it's time for a contributor to become a > >> committer, he suggests her on the private mailing list > >> - Discussion on the private list ensues, committers decide whether > the > >> contributor is ready or not > >> - If the contributor is not deemed ready, the process stops > >> - If the contributor is deemed ready, the proposer talks to her > privately > >> and asks her whether she would be interested in becoming a committer > >> - If she's not interested, the process stops > >> - If she's interested, a public vote is launched on the devs > mailing > >> list > >> > >> This way the vote is still public and non-committers can voice their > >> feedback, but there is a central location for the initial discussion > >> (instead of the proposer having to go and talk to every committer > privately > >> on Skype, IRC and the like). We also keep the benefits of people > standing > >> publicly by their votes. > >> > >> WDYT? > >> > > > > I have refrain myself from adding to the discussion until now since I was > > strongly -1 initially, but presented this way, I am now +1. I would add > > that, anything that a commiter do not feel ready for public discussion > could > > be discussed on this private ML, but that nothing could be decide there > > without a public vote. This is already what we could do by skype or other > > direct discussion, and it therefore does not change anything to the > current > > transparency of the project governance. > > IMO it's good to have this mailing list for a simple reason: if any > committer need to say something to other committers and is not yet > comfortable making it public it should definitely be sent to this > mailing list instead of nothing. We can always decide to move the > discussion to the public mailing list after. Be it about new committer > or anything else. > > > > > Denis > > > > > >> > >> Guillaume > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Jerome Velociter < > [email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I know Vincent retracted this vote for now, but just for the record > >> > and for the balance, I would definitely have +1'd. > >> > I support especially the point that it's tough to express reserves on > >> > someone's work publicly, even in an open world. And that in the end we > >> > might tend to just not do it when we should. > >> > > >> > Jerome > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > Hi devs, > >> > > > >> > > There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that > would > >> > be better be not public. > >> > > > >> > > One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's > >> very > >> > uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons: > >> > > * committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting negatively is seen > >> > publicly, including by the person being voted on > >> > > * it's very undelicate to have this in the open especially if the > >> person > >> > is voted down since that'll affect that person's morale and future > >> > participation in the project > >> > > > >> > > So I'd like to propose creating a [email protected] list with > the > >> > following characteristics: > >> > > * private, visible only to committers > >> > > > >> > > I also propose it to use it for voting committers. > >> > > > >> > > WDYT? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > -Vincent > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > devs mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Jérôme Velociter > >> > Winesquare > >> > http://www.winesquare.net/ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > devs mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Denis Gervalle > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > eGuilde sarl - CTO > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
