Hi Alex, On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Alex Busenius wrote:
> Hi, > > > I'm -1 for the idea of moving votes about some selected topics to a > secret mailing list. The proposal/vote is only about voting about committers on a private list. ATM I don't see any other vote topics that would justify being done privately. > The most important point of public votes is to provide transparency to > the community, which not only consists of informing the community of > secretly made decisions, but also explaining why those decisions were > made and leaving a possibility for everyone to discuss and interact with > the committers. Remember, that by our rules, anyone is allowed to vote, > it's just that only the committers have a binding vote. Sure, we're not changing this. > I agree that choosing and excluding new committers are sensitive topics, > so it makes sense to discuss such things in private first What's the point of a "fake" vote if f it's been discussed before? If we discuss it privately and one of us is against it, we're not going to propose it so if we propose a vote publicly it means we all agree so what's the point of sending a vote? I don't see any interest in saying something like: "this person has been voted in as a committer, please provide your feedback within 48 hours if you think it's a bad idea!" Or: "committers have agreed not to vote this person as a committer, please provide arguments if you think committers should revise their judgements!" Thanks -Vincent > , but the > actual vote should be public, with committers standing behind their > votes and with enough time for others (i.e. for not-committers) to speak > up and influence the vote. > > So I'm +0 for a private mailing list for sensitive topics (+0 because I > don't see how contacting 15 people that are all in the same skype chat > once a year is hard), but we should not vote there. > > > Thanks, > Alex > > > On 10.10.2011 15:05, Vincent Massol wrote: >> Hi devs, >> >> There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that would be >> better be not public. >> >> One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's very >> uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons: >> * committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting negatively is seen >> publicly, including by the person being voted on >> * it's very undelicate to have this in the open especially if the person is >> voted down since that'll affect that person's morale and future >> participation in the project >> >> So I'd like to propose creating a [email protected] list with the >> following characteristics: >> * private, visible only to committers >> >> I also propose it to use it for voting committers. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
