Hi, Generally speaking if we add a menu located next to the existing page/space/wiki menus it cannot be a menu representing a wiki since it's not logical (there's already a wiki level menu). It has to represent something bigger than a wiki. That's the System, aka XWiki, aka Portal.
Home wouldn't make sense since it would mean having all the menu entries that you normally find in the wiki menu and that's distriburing and there's no reason to have shortcuts for those when you are in a subwiki (if you wish to administer the main wiki for example, you can navigate to the main wiki, it's not so often that you need to administer the main wiki when you're on a subwiki that you need a shortcut for it!). As guillaume said below, if we do this we also have duplicated menus when you're in the main wiki and if you decide to not show it when you're on the main wiki then you have a solution that's not uneven since it means visually different menus when on the main wiki and when on a subwiki which isn't nice. It's much better to have a menu entry that stays wherver you're located. The notion of System/XWiki/Portal allows for this. Note 1: I'm personally fine to have the System/XWiki/Portal menu located on the left too if everyone wants that. It makes the menu system a bit crowded. Note 2: This System menu could only appear when there's more than 1 wiki since we want to make it as lightweight possible for single wiki users Note 3: An option would be to have a switch in the Admin to enable wiki creation and not base the appearance of the system menu and the Add>Wiki on whether there's 1 or more subwikis. So, based on this: * Solution A: -1 * Solution B: +1 (I'm fine with having "System", "XWiki" or some other names representing the whole system but not "Home" which doesn't represent the system but the main wiki only. I'm also fine to move that menu on the left) * Solution C: -1 * Solution D: +1 Thanks -Vincent On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi developers. > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces > activated". > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > == Proposal A == > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > Logged as admin: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Not logged as admin: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > You can get it from this commit: > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > "System" or "XWiki". > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. > It does not look good. > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > - The left menu has too many items. > > == Proposal B == > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > started to iterate until having this proposal: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > B). > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. > > == Proposal C == > We had also this idea: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C) > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > --- > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > Current implementation: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Mockup with the new skin: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > consensus for the RC1! > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > -1 for proposal C. > > Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
