Hi, We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index.
Thanks, Silvia On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote: > yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the > entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis > Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the > entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a > certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) > > the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', > 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. > > I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', > while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. > > Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. > It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the > correct form. > > Thanks, > Caty > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry >> if >> > this was already discussed. >> > >> > My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I >> suppose >> > it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just >> > calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. >> > >> > I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User >> Index", >> > but I don't think it's the same thing. >> > >> >> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that >> true Caty? >> >> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... >> >> >> > >> > Ludovic >> > >> > >> > 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> >> > >> > > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > LM >> > > >> > > >> > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> >> > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >> > > > > of >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >> > > > > >> > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >> > > > > >> > > > > Let me recap: >> > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > I like both B and E. >> > > > >> > > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the >> wikis >> > > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since >> the >> > > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >> > > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >> > > > to put this menu. >> > > > >> > > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >> > > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >> > > > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >> > > > >> > > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >> > > > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >> > > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >> > > > >> > > > -Fabio >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > >> > > > > About E: >> > > > > Some issues IMHO: >> > > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki >> > and >> > > > > when you are in the subwiki. >> > > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the >> > users >> > > > and >> > > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? >> Can't >> > it >> > > > be >> > > > > confusing? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> > > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > == Proposal D == >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> > > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >> > wiki >> > > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >> > > navigating >> > > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of >> other >> > > > wikis >> > > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >> > over >> > > > the >> > > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >> > first >> > > > >> entry >> > > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >> > with >> > > > >> "Wiki >> > > > >> > Index" for example. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use >> the >> > > > logo as >> > > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Thanks >> > > > >> > -Vincent >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > Hi developers. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> > > > >> Workspace >> > > > >> > in >> > > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >> > > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements >> when >> > > > >> > Workspaces >> > > > >> > > activated". >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >> > > (which >> > > > was >> > > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >> > > request. I >> > > > >> have >> > > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal A == >> > > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >> > > > >> > > Logged as admin: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> > > > >> > > Not logged as admin: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 >> > > > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> > > > >> >> > > > >> In your screenshot is: >> > > > >> * Home >> > > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> > > > >> ** Wiki Directory >> > > > >> >> > > > >> What it was proposed: >> > > > >> * Home >> > > > >> ** Administration >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index >> > > > >> ** .... >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> > > > >> >> > > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> > > > >> - "Administration" >> > > > >> or >> > > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> > > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >> > > > current >> > > > >> > menus: >> > > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >> > we >> > > > are >> > > > >> in >> > > > >> > a >> > > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to >> administrate >> > > both >> > > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home >> (mainwiki). >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of >> the >> > > > current >> > > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >> > and >> > > > >> > several >> > > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could >> imagine, >> > > in >> > > > the >> > > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >> > between >> > > > >> "main" >> > > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that >> allows >> > > the >> > > > >> > users >> > > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to >> call >> > > the >> > > > >> menu >> > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >> > > > displays >> > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >> > with >> > > > the >> > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >> > have >> > > a >> > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >> > more >> > > > >> > content. >> > > > >> > > It does not look good. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> In the proposal there is >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >> > could >> > > > also >> > > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >> > > > (especially >> > > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is >> located >> > > in >> > > > the >> > > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to >> have >> > a >> > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >> > > submenu, >> > > > we >> > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >> > (mainwiki)). >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >> > > > twice: >> > > > >> > once >> > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >> > > > >> in >> > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >> > > > content' >> > > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal B == >> > > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >> > 5.2M2, >> > > > so we >> > > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal >> > > > >> > > B). >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >> > left >> > > > >> side, >> > > > >> > we >> > > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >> > actually >> > > > >> > achieve >> > > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >> > "Delete" >> > > > or >> > > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, >> it >> > > just >> > > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >> > more a >> > > > >> > "System" >> > > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's >> why >> > we >> > > > put >> > > > >> it >> > > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> > > > >> confusing. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >> > > organization >> > > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> > > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >> > User". >> > > > The >> > > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >> > > > location in >> > > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >> > > > actions. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >> > customize >> > > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >> > > their >> > > > >> own. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal C == >> > > > >> > > We had also this idea: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) >> > > > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >> > "Main >> > > > Wiki" >> > > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions >> like >> > > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > --- >> > > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >> > > should I >> > > > >> do? >> > > > >> > Do >> > > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >> > > > because he >> > > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can >> still >> > > be >> > > > >> > changed >> > > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >> > > > >> > > Current implementation: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> > > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >> > > > >> > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your >> opinion, >> > > > >> > regarding >> > > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We >> > must >> > > > have >> > > > >> a >> > > > >> > > consensus for the RC1! >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >> > > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >> > > > >> > > -1 for proposal C. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> > > > >> >> > > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> > > > >> * Home >> > > > >> ** Administration >> > > > >> ** --- >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> > > > >> ** Documents Index >> > > > >> >> > > > >> (Home/mainwiki) >> > > > >> * Home >> > > > >> ** Watch Home >> > > > >> ** Administer Home >> > > > >> ** --- >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index >> > > > >> ** Documents Index >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > >> Caty >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > Louis-Marie >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> > > devs mailing list >> > > > >> > > [email protected] >> > > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> > devs mailing list >> > > > >> > [email protected] >> > > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> devs mailing list >> > > > >> [email protected] >> > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > devs mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > devs mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > devs mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ludovic Dubost >> > Founder and CEO >> > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ >> > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com >> > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
