On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
> Denis and I would like to have an "Home" menu when the user has a single > wiki too, instead of having "Wiki: xwiki". > > Anybody else would like to have it? I think this is not so urgent and could be an improvement for 5.3. For me it makes sense to keep our default the same as now for 5.2 when there's only 1 wiki and make that change in 5.3 when we bring more changes for multiwiki. It's also starting to be late now. But +0 in general (didn't put +1 because I haven't thought enough about the overall consequences and I'm still only +0 on the Home menu in general). Thanks -Vincent > Thanks, > Louis-Marie > > > 2013/9/20 Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> > >> Hi, >> >> We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my >> view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index. >> >> Thanks, >> Silvia >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the >>> entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis >>> Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the >>> entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a >>> certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) >>> >>> the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', >>> 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. >>> >>> I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', >>> while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. >>> >>> Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. >>> It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the >>> correct form. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm >> sorry >>>> if >>>>> this was already discussed. >>>>> >>>>> My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I >>>> suppose >>>>> it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just >>>>> calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. >>>>> >>>>> I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User >>>> Index", >>>>> but I don't think it's the same thing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is >> that >>>> true Caty? >>>> >>>> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ludovic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> LM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>>>>>> of >>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me recap: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like both B and E. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the >>>> wikis >>>>>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since >>>> the >>>>>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>>>>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place >> where >>>>>>> to put this menu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>>>>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with >> that >>>>>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that >> suffers of >>>>>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>>>>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Fabio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About E: >>>>>>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>>>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home >> wiki >>>>> and >>>>>>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>>>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, >> the >>>>> users >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? >>>> Can't >>>>> it >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> confusing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < >>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the >> current >>>>> wiki >>>>>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>>>>> navigating >>>>>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of >>>> other >>>>>>> wikis >>>>>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse >> hover >>>>> over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu >> with >>>>> first >>>>>>>>> entry >>>>>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second >> entry >>>>> with >>>>>>>>> "Wiki >>>>>>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use >>>> the >>>>>>> logo as >>>>>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie >> Delhumeau < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that >> integrate >>>>>>>>> Workspace >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements >>>> when >>>>>>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for >> M2 >>>>>> (which >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>>>>> request. I >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 >>>>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this >> screenshot) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>>>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>>>> ** .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with >> the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration >> when >>>>> we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to >>>> administrate >>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home >>>> (mainwiki). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of >>>> the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a >> "main" >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could >>>> imagine, >>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>>>> between >>>>>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that >>>> allows >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to >>>> call >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The >> menu >>>>>>> displays >>>>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also >> consistent >>>>> with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we >> only >>>>> have >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page >> has >>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>>>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >>>>> could >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>>>>> (especially >>>>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is >>>> located >>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to >>>> have >>>>> a >>>>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>>>>> submenu, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >>>>> (mainwiki)). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main >> wiki" >>>>>>> twice: >>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization >> of >>>>>>> content' >>>>>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >>>>> 5.2M2, >>>>>>> so we >>>>>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal >>>>>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on >> the >>>>> left >>>>>>>>> side, >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >>>>> "Delete" >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like >> that, >>>> it >>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >>>>> more a >>>>>>>>>> "System" >>>>>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's >>>> why >>>>> we >>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is >> less >>>>>>>>> confusing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>>>>> organization >>>>>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >>>>> User". >>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>>>>>> location in >>>>>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User >> related >>>>>>> actions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >>>>> customize >>>>>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making >> it >>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> own. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) >>>>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >>>>> "Main >>>>>>> Wiki" >>>>>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions >>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>>>>> should I >>>>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said >> yes, >>>>>>> because he >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can >>>> still >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your >>>> opinion, >>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. >> We >>>>> must >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>>>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Louis-Marie >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ludovic Dubost >>>>> Founder and CEO >>>>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ >>>>> XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com >>>>> Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
