Denis and I would like to have an "Home" menu when the user has a single wiki too, instead of having "Wiki: xwiki".
Anybody else would like to have it? Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/9/20 Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> > Hi, > > We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my > view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index. > > Thanks, > Silvia > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > <[email protected]> wrote: > > yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the > > entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis > > Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the > > entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a > > certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) > > > > the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', > > 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. > > > > I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', > > while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. > > > > Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. > > It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the > > correct form. > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm > sorry > >> if > >> > this was already discussed. > >> > > >> > My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I > >> suppose > >> > it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just > >> > calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. > >> > > >> > I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User > >> Index", > >> > but I don't think it's the same thing. > >> > > >> > >> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is > that > >> true Caty? > >> > >> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Ludovic > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > LM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > >> > > > > of > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Let me recap: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > I like both B and E. > >> > > > > >> > > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the > >> wikis > >> > > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since > >> the > >> > > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > >> > > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place > where > >> > > > to put this menu. > >> > > > > >> > > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > >> > > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with > that > >> > > > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > >> > > > > >> > > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that > suffers of > >> > > > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > >> > > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > >> > > > > >> > > > -Fabio > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > About E: > >> > > > > Some issues IMHO: > >> > > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home > wiki > >> > and > >> > > > > when you are in the subwiki. > >> > > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, > the > >> > users > >> > > > and > >> > > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? > >> Can't > >> > it > >> > > > be > >> > > > > confusing? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < > >> [email protected] > >> > > > >> > > > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > == Proposal D == > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >> > > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the > current > >> > wiki > >> > > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > >> > > navigating > >> > > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of > >> other > >> > > > wikis > >> > > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse > hover > >> > over > >> > > > the > >> > > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu > with > >> > first > >> > > > >> entry > >> > > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second > entry > >> > with > >> > > > >> "Wiki > >> > > > >> > Index" for example. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use > >> the > >> > > > logo as > >> > > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Thanks > >> > > > >> > -Vincent > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie > Delhumeau < > >> > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Hi developers. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that > integrate > >> > > > >> Workspace > >> > > > >> > in > >> > > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >> > > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements > >> when > >> > > > >> > Workspaces > >> > > > >> > > activated". > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for > M2 > >> > > (which > >> > > > was > >> > > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > >> > > request. I > >> > > > >> have > >> > > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal A == > >> > > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >> > > > >> > > Logged as admin: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > Not logged as admin: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >> > > > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this > screenshot) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >> > > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> In your screenshot is: > >> > > > >> * Home > >> > > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki > >> > > > >> ** Wiki Directory > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> What it was proposed: > >> > > > >> * Home > >> > > > >> ** Administration > >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index > >> > > > >> ** .... > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >> > > > >> - "Administration" > >> > > > >> or > >> > > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >> > > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with > the > >> > > > current > >> > > > >> > menus: > >> > > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration > when > >> > we > >> > > > are > >> > > > >> in > >> > > > >> > a > >> > > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to > >> administrate > >> > > both > >> > > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home > >> (mainwiki). > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of > >> the > >> > > > current > >> > > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a > "main" > >> > and > >> > > > >> > several > >> > > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could > >> imagine, > >> > > in > >> > > > the > >> > > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > >> > between > >> > > > >> "main" > >> > > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that > >> allows > >> > > the > >> > > > >> > users > >> > > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to > >> call > >> > > the > >> > > > >> menu > >> > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The > menu > >> > > > displays > >> > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also > consistent > >> > with > >> > > > the > >> > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we > only > >> > have > >> > > a > >> > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page > has > >> > more > >> > > > >> > content. > >> > > > >> > > It does not look good. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> In the proposal there is > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > >> > could > >> > > > also > >> > > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > >> > > > (especially > >> > > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is > >> located > >> > > in > >> > > > the > >> > > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to > >> have > >> > a > >> > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > >> > > submenu, > >> > > > we > >> > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > >> > (mainwiki)). > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main > wiki" > >> > > > twice: > >> > > > >> > once > >> > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >> > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >> > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >> > > > >> in > >> > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization > of > >> > > > content' > >> > > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal B == > >> > > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > >> > 5.2M2, > >> > > > so we > >> > > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >> > > > >> > > B). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on > the > >> > left > >> > > > >> side, > >> > > > >> > we > >> > > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > >> > actually > >> > > > >> > achieve > >> > > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > >> > "Delete" > >> > > > or > >> > > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like > that, > >> it > >> > > just > >> > > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > >> > more a > >> > > > >> > "System" > >> > > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's > >> why > >> > we > >> > > > put > >> > > > >> it > >> > > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is > less > >> > > > >> confusing. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > >> > > organization > >> > > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >> > > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > >> > User". > >> > > > The > >> > > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > >> > > > location in > >> > > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User > related > >> > > > actions. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > >> > customize > >> > > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making > it > >> > > their > >> > > > >> own. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > == Proposal C == > >> > > > >> > > We had also this idea: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >> > > > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > >> > "Main > >> > > > Wiki" > >> > > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions > >> like > >> > > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- > >> > > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > >> > > should I > >> > > > >> do? > >> > > > >> > Do > >> > > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said > yes, > >> > > > because he > >> > > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can > >> still > >> > > be > >> > > > >> > changed > >> > > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >> > > > >> > > Current implementation: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your > >> opinion, > >> > > > >> > regarding > >> > > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. > We > >> > must > >> > > > have > >> > > > >> a > >> > > > >> > > consensus for the RC1! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >> > > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >> > > > >> > > -1 for proposal C. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >> > > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >> > > > >> * Home > >> > > > >> ** Administration > >> > > > >> ** --- > >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory > >> > > > >> ** Documents Index > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> (Home/mainwiki) > >> > > > >> * Home > >> > > > >> ** Watch Home > >> > > > >> ** Administer Home > >> > > > >> ** --- > >> > > > >> ** Wikis Index > >> > > > >> ** Documents Index > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Thanks, > >> > > > >> Caty > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > Louis-Marie > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > devs mailing list > >> > > > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > >> > devs mailing list > >> > > > >> > [email protected] > >> > > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > > >> devs mailing list > >> > > > >> [email protected] > >> > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > devs mailing list > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > devs mailing list > >> > > > [email protected] > >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > devs mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ludovic Dubost > >> > Founder and CEO > >> > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > >> > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > >> > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > devs mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
