Ok this time it's really ok... There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > I had forgotten one, should be ok now. > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Same issue here ... >> >> >> 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> >> >>> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class is >>> > supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>). >>> > >>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line >>> ... >>> >> (at least, for unauthentified user). >>> >> Same page: >>> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication >>> >> >>> >> BR, >>> >> Jeremie >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I >>> couldn't >>> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights. >>> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Hello, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse >>> this >>> >>> > page: >>> >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication >>> >>> > >>> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page. >>> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page >>> ("You >>> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ..."). >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > Hi, >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> > > wrote: >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> >>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > > Hi, >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from >>> >>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and >>> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, >>> >>> Mockups >>> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki >>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/ >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done! >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > Some quick comments: >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as >>> on >>> >>> > other >>> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!) >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on >>> >>> xwiki.org >>> >>> > . >>> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent >>> with >>> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and >>> thus >>> >>> > > creation >>> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT >>> should >>> >>> > be >>> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of >>> e.x.o). >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. >>> >>> Pages >>> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, >>> etc.) >>> >>> so >>> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week. >>> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have >>> >>> been >>> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were >>> >>> > created >>> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see >>> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925) >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of >>> >>> > > proposals... >>> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset >>> >>> > everything >>> >>> > > :) >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added >>> >>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some >>> statuses >>> >>> for >>> >>> > > some of them, yes. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For >>> >>> > example >>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is >>> working >>> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still >>> valid. >>> >>> > What >>> >>> > > > about >>> >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm >>> >>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are >>> too >>> >>> hard >>> >>> > > to >>> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to >>> Dormant. >>> >>> > I'd >>> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open" because >>> I >>> >>> > don't >>> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs >>> about >>> >>> > > things >>> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in >>> >>> > > "Dropped". >>> >>> > > > WDYT? >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this >>> >>> app. >>> >>> > If >>> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, >>> but >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant', 'Completed', >>> >>> 'Dropped'. >>> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at >>> the >>> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might >>> want >>> >>> > to >>> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not >>> planned) >>> >>> > also >>> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that >>> >>> feature, >>> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features >>> we >>> >>> are >>> >>> > > really working on. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified >>> for a >>> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to >>> 'Dormant' >>> >>> > > (Not planned). >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of >>> others' >>> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in >>> >>> order >>> >>> > to >>> >>> > > be accurate. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * Is >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyreally >>> >>> > > > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"? >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it >>> must >>> >>> > have >>> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was >>> 'Dead' >>> >>> > which >>> >>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link >>> them >>> >>> > > > together, for ex: >>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child >>> >>> relationship. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be >>> about UI >>> >>> > > > only... For ex >>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis >>> >>> > > purely >>> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature". >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is >>> related >>> >>> to >>> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but >>> I've >>> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work >>> on >>> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it >>> >>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), >>> >>> > considering >>> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual >>> aspects, >>> >>> so >>> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this >>> >>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the >>> subwiki >>> >>> " >>> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation >>> makes >>> >>> > me >>> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric >>> view :) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals that >>> don't >>> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a special page to >>> be set >>> >>> > as >>> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature). >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > > I also don't understand what >>> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include >>> >>> > > > requirements? >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related >>> >>> pages >>> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have >>> >>> > children >>> >>> > > it will display them. >>> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix >>> it. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Thanks, >>> >>> > > Caty >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't >>> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together >>> and >>> >>> are >>> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :) >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > Thanks! >>> >>> > > > -Vincent >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status >>> might >>> >>> not >>> >>> > be >>> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to >>> >>> mark >>> >>> > > your >>> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent >>> hierarchy if >>> >>> > you >>> >>> > > > find >>> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place. >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Thanks, >>> >>> > > > > Caty >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>> >>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) >>> >>> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > > > > > > Hi, >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting: >>> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will >>> hold >>> >>> > > > > development >>> >>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will >>> >>> > deprecate >>> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > +1 >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki: >>> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means >>> implementations >>> >>> > > waiting >>> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not >>> design >>> >>> and >>> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a >>> >>> github >>> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example. >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new >>> wiki >>> >>> > > (example >>> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes): >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that >>> it's as >>> >>> > easy >>> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually >>> be >>> >>> > used. >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: * >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are located in >>> >>> multiple >>> >>> > > > > places: >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture: >>> >>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface: >>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ >>> >>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org >>> , >>> >>> > chats, >>> >>> > > > git >>> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is >>> hard to >>> >>> > > track >>> >>> > > > > if >>> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information. >>> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and >>> lots >>> >>> > of >>> >>> > > > the >>> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. * >>> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining >>> >>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and >>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place. >>> >>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times before ( >>> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and >>> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the >>> >>> vote >>> >>> > > was >>> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction. >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called >>> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat >>> >>> > > > > will >>> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will target >>> >>> developers. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's >>> development >>> >>> > > > process >>> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions >>> >>> alternatives, >>> >>> > > user >>> >>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific >>> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement. >>> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly >>> >>> documented >>> >>> > in >>> >>> > > > the >>> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org). >>> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in >>> order to >>> >>> > > > > > demonstrate >>> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add >>> >>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). >>> For >>> >>> > this >>> >>> > > > case >>> >>> > > > > > it >>> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own >>> instance or >>> >>> > use >>> >>> > > > the >>> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin >>> and >>> >>> the >>> >>> > > wiki >>> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org: >>> Design >>> >>> > will >>> >>> > > be >>> >>> > > > > > moved >>> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. * >>> >>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is >>> better >>> >>> for >>> >>> > > the >>> >>> > > > > new >>> >>> > > > > > > wiki: >>> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org >>> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.* >>> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look >>> like: >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related >>> to >>> >>> it, >>> >>> > > > making >>> >>> > > > > > it >>> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: >>> >>> > Analysis, >>> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each >>> category >>> >>> > > having >>> >>> > > > > > it's >>> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe. >>> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller >>> >>> proposals >>> >>> > > > will >>> >>> > > > > > have >>> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas. >>> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think. >>> >>> > > > > > > Thanks, >>> >>> > > > > > > Caty >>> >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > > > > > devs mailing list >>> >>> > > > > > > [email protected] >>> >>> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > -- >>> >>> > > > > > Thomas Mortagne >>> >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > > > > devs mailing list >>> >>> > > > > > [email protected] >>> >>> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > > > devs mailing list >>> >>> > > > > [email protected] >>> >>> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > > devs mailing list >>> >>> > > > [email protected] >>> >>> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > devs mailing list >>> >>> > > [email protected] >>> >>> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > devs mailing list >>> >>> > [email protected] >>> >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> devs mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> devs mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Thomas Mortagne >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
