I had forgotten one, should be ok now. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> wrote: > Same issue here ... > > > 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > >> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights. >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class is >> > supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>). >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line >> ... >> >> (at least, for unauthentified user). >> >> Same page: >> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication >> >> >> >> BR, >> >> Jeremie >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I >> couldn't >> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights. >> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" < >> [email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Hello, >> >>> > >> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse >> this >> >>> > page: >> >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication >> >>> > >> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page. >> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page >> ("You >> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ..."). >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> >>> > >> >>> > > Hi, >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol < >> [email protected]> >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> >>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Hi, >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from >> >>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and >> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, >> >>> Mockups >> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki >> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/ >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done! >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Some quick comments: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as >> on >> >>> > other >> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!) >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on >> >>> xwiki.org >> >>> > . >> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent >> with >> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and >> thus >> >>> > > creation >> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT >> should >> >>> > be >> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of >> e.x.o). >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. >> >>> Pages >> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, >> etc.) >> >>> so >> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week. >> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have >> >>> been >> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were >> >>> > created >> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see >> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925) >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of >> >>> > > proposals... >> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset >> >>> > everything >> >>> > > :) >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added >> >>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some >> statuses >> >>> for >> >>> > > some of them, yes. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For >> >>> > example >> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is >> working >> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still >> valid. >> >>> > What >> >>> > > > about >> >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm >> >>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are >> too >> >>> hard >> >>> > > to >> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to >> Dormant. >> >>> > I'd >> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open" because >> I >> >>> > don't >> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs >> about >> >>> > > things >> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in >> >>> > > "Dropped". >> >>> > > > WDYT? >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this >> >>> app. >> >>> > If >> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, >> but >> >>> > the >> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant', 'Completed', >> >>> 'Dropped'. >> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at >> the >> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might >> want >> >>> > to >> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not >> planned) >> >>> > also >> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that >> >>> feature, >> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features >> we >> >>> are >> >>> > > really working on. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified >> for a >> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to >> 'Dormant' >> >>> > > (Not planned). >> >>> > > >> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of >> others' >> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in >> >>> order >> >>> > to >> >>> > > be accurate. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * Is >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyreally >> >>> > > > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"? >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it >> must >> >>> > have >> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was >> 'Dead' >> >>> > which >> >>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link >> them >> >>> > > > together, for ex: >> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child >> >>> relationship. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be >> about UI >> >>> > > > only... For ex >> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis >> >>> > > purely >> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature". >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is >> related >> >>> to >> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but >> I've >> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones. >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work >> on >> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it >> >>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), >> >>> > considering >> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual >> aspects, >> >>> so >> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this >> >>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the >> subwiki >> >>> " >> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation >> makes >> >>> > me >> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric >> view :) >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals that >> don't >> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a special page to >> be set >> >>> > as >> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature). >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > I also don't understand what >> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include >> >>> > > > requirements? >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related >> >>> pages >> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have >> >>> > children >> >>> > > it will display them. >> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix >> it. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Thanks, >> >>> > > Caty >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't >> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together >> and >> >>> are >> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :) >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Thanks! >> >>> > > > -Vincent >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status >> might >> >>> not >> >>> > be >> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to >> >>> mark >> >>> > > your >> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent >> hierarchy if >> >>> > you >> >>> > > > find >> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place. >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > Thanks, >> >>> > > > > Caty >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> >>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) >> >>> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > > > > > > Hi, >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting: >> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will >> hold >> >>> > > > > development >> >>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will >> >>> > deprecate >> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > +1 >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki: >> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means >> implementations >> >>> > > waiting >> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not >> design >> >>> and >> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a >> >>> github >> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new >> wiki >> >>> > > (example >> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes): >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that >> it's as >> >>> > easy >> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually >> be >> >>> > used. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ >> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: * >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are located in >> >>> multiple >> >>> > > > > places: >> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture: >> >>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ >> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface: >> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ >> >>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org >> , >> >>> > chats, >> >>> > > > git >> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is >> hard to >> >>> > > track >> >>> > > > > if >> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information. >> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and >> lots >> >>> > of >> >>> > > > the >> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. * >> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining >> >>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and >> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place. >> >>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times before ( >> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and >> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the >> >>> vote >> >>> > > was >> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction. >> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called >> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat >> >>> > > > > will >> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will target >> >>> developers. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's >> development >> >>> > > > process >> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions >> >>> alternatives, >> >>> > > user >> >>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific >> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement. >> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly >> >>> documented >> >>> > in >> >>> > > > the >> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org). >> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in >> order to >> >>> > > > > > demonstrate >> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add >> >>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). >> For >> >>> > this >> >>> > > > case >> >>> > > > > > it >> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own >> instance or >> >>> > use >> >>> > > > the >> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin >> and >> >>> the >> >>> > > wiki >> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org: >> Design >> >>> > will >> >>> > > be >> >>> > > > > > moved >> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. * >> >>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is >> better >> >>> for >> >>> > > the >> >>> > > > > new >> >>> > > > > > > wiki: >> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org >> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.* >> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look >> like: >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related >> to >> >>> it, >> >>> > > > making >> >>> > > > > > it >> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: >> >>> > Analysis, >> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each >> category >> >>> > > having >> >>> > > > > > it's >> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe. >> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller >> >>> proposals >> >>> > > > will >> >>> > > > > > have >> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas. >> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me. >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think. >> >>> > > > > > > Thanks, >> >>> > > > > > > Caty >> >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > > > devs mailing list >> >>> > > > > > > [email protected] >> >>> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > -- >> >>> > > > > > Thomas Mortagne >> >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > > devs mailing list >> >>> > > > > > [email protected] >> >>> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > > devs mailing list >> >>> > > > > [email protected] >> >>> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > devs mailing list >> >>> > > > [email protected] >> >>> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > devs mailing list >> >>> > > [email protected] >> >>> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > devs mailing list >> >>> > [email protected] >> >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> devs mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> devs mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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