The whole http://design.xwiki.org wiki access is restricted to local admin group, no idea if it's on purpose but looks like a leftover.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this > page: > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication > > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page. > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ..."). > > > > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> Hi, >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I've finished moving the content from >> > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups >> > > spaces) to the new wiki >> > > http://design.xwiki.org/ >> > >> > >> > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done! >> > >> > Some quick comments: >> > >> > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other >> > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!) >> > >> >> The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org. >> The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with >> xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that. >> >> >> > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and thus >> creation >> > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should be >> > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o). >> > >> >> Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages >> on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so >> it's normal that they are modified in the past week. >> I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been >> imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were created >> by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see >> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925) >> >> >> > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of >> proposals... >> > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset everything >> :) >> > >> >> I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added >> 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for >> some of them, yes. >> >> >> > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For example >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working >> > actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What >> > about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm >> > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard >> to >> > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant. I'd >> > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open" because I don't >> > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about >> things >> > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in >> "Dropped". >> > WDYT? >> > >> >> I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. If >> you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but the >> current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant', 'Completed', 'Dropped'. >> Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the >> seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want to >> achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned) also >> a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that feature, >> having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are >> really working on. >> >> We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a >> certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant' >> (Not planned). >> >> As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others' >> proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order to >> be accurate. >> >> >> > * Is >> > >> > >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyreally >> > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"? >> > >> >> I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must have >> been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead' which >> in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'. >> >> >> > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them >> > together, for ex: >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene >> > >> >> The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship. >> >> >> > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be about UI >> > only... For ex >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is >> purely >> > design and you categorized it as "Feature". >> >> >> For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to >> code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've >> tried to pick the easiest ones. >> > > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), considering > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, so > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki " > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation makes me > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :) > > >> 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals that don't >> belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set as >> parent or use the current as feature). >> >> >> > I also don't understand what >> > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include >> > requirements? >> >> >> This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages >> livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have children >> it will display them. >> Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it. >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >> Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't >> > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and are >> > cycling in small iterations... :) >> > >> > Thanks! >> > -Vincent >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be >> > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark >> your >> > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you >> > find >> > > your proposal in the wrong place. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Caty >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > Hi, >> > > > > >> > > > > *Short version* for voting: >> > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold >> > > development >> > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate >> > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org >> > > > >> > > > +1 >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki: >> > > > > design.xwiki.org >> > > > > incubator.xwiki.org >> > > > >> > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org >> > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations >> waiting >> > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and >> > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github >> > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki >> (example >> > > > > AppWithinMinutes): >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >> > > > >> > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy >> > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------ >> > > > > *Long version: * >> > > > > >> > > > > Right now development process activities are located in multiple >> > > places: >> > > > > - Analysis + Architecture: >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ >> > > > > - Analysis + User Interface: >> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ >> > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, >> > git >> > > > > comments, etc. >> > > > > >> > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to >> track >> > > if >> > > > > you are looking for specific information. >> > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of >> > the >> > > > > items need manual gathering or search. >> > > > > >> > > > > *Part A. * >> > > > > This mail is about combining >> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and >> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place. >> > > > > This has already been discussed several times before ( >> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and >> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote >> was >> > > > > favorable in this direction. >> > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that >> > > will >> > > > > contain the combined information and that will target developers. >> > > > > >> > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development >> > process >> > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, >> user >> > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific >> > > > feature/idea/improvement. >> > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in >> > the >> > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org). >> > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to >> > > > demonstrate >> > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add >> > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this >> > case >> > > > it >> > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use >> > the >> > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting. >> > > > > >> > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the >> wiki >> > > > > gardening by me. >> > > > > >> > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will >> be >> > > > moved >> > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created. >> > > > > >> > > > > *Part B. * >> > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for >> the >> > > new >> > > > > wiki: >> > > > > - design.xwiki.org >> > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org >> > > > > - we accept other proposals. >> > > > > >> > > > > *Part C.* >> > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like: >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki >> > > > > >> > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, >> > making >> > > > it >> > > > > easier to track it's progress. >> > > > > >> > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis, >> > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category >> having >> > > > it's >> > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe. >> > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals >> > will >> > > > have >> > > > > just the related pages for certain areas. >> > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space. >> > > > > >> > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me. >> > > > > >> > > > > Let me know what you think. >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > Caty >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > devs mailing list >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Thomas Mortagne >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > devs mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > devs mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
