It's **almost** ok, now I can view the page when logged in, but I still don't have edit rights ... ;)
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > Ok this time it's really ok... > > There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki. > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I had forgotten one, should be ok now. > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Same issue here ... > >> > >> > >> 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > >> > >>> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class is > >>> > supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>). > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET > >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one > line > >>> ... > >>> >> (at least, for unauthentified user). > >>> >> Same page: > >>> >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication > >>> >> > >>> >> BR, > >>> >> Jeremie > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> > >>> >> > >>> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I > >>> couldn't > >>> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights. > >>> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" < > >>> [email protected]> > >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Hello, > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I > browse > >>> this > >>> >>> > page: > >>> >>> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page. > >>> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the > page > >>> ("You > >>> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action > ..."). > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Hi, > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol < > >>> [email protected]> > >>> >>> > > wrote: > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>> >>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Hi, > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from > >>> >>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and > >>> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, > Tech, > >>> >>> Mockups > >>> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki > >>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/ > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done! > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > Some quick comments: > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the > same as > >>> on > >>> >>> > other > >>> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!) > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on > >>> >>> xwiki.org > >>> >>> > . > >>> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is > consistent > >>> with > >>> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and > >>> thus > >>> >>> > > creation > >>> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the > LT > >>> should > >>> >>> > be > >>> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of > >>> e.x.o). > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last > modified'. > >>> >>> Pages > >>> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects > added, > >>> etc.) > >>> >>> so > >>> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week. > >>> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other > have > >>> >>> been > >>> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they > were > >>> >>> > created > >>> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see > >>> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925) > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states > of > >>> >>> > > proposals... > >>> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset > >>> >>> > everything > >>> >>> > > :) > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, > added > >>> >>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some > >>> statuses > >>> >>> for > >>> >>> > > some of them, yes. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the > criteria? For > >>> >>> > example > >>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is > >>> working > >>> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still > >>> valid. > >>> >>> > What > >>> >>> > > > about > >>> >>> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm > >>> >>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states > are > >>> too > >>> >>> hard > >>> >>> > > to > >>> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to > >>> Dormant. > >>> >>> > I'd > >>> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open" > because > >>> I > >>> >>> > don't > >>> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all > designs > >>> about > >>> >>> > > things > >>> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be > in > >>> >>> > > "Dropped". > >>> >>> > > > WDYT? > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for > this > >>> >>> app. > >>> >>> > If > >>> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we > could, > >>> but > >>> >>> > the > >>> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant', 'Completed', > >>> >>> 'Dropped'. > >>> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project > at > >>> the > >>> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we > might > >>> want > >>> >>> > to > >>> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not > >>> planned) > >>> >>> > also > >>> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release > that > >>> >>> feature, > >>> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the > features > >>> we > >>> >>> are > >>> >>> > > really working on. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not > modified > >>> for a > >>> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to > >>> 'Dormant' > >>> >>> > > (Not planned). > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of > >>> others' > >>> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update > them in > >>> >>> order > >>> >>> > to > >>> >>> > > be accurate. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * Is > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyreally > >>> >>> > > > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"? > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how > it > >>> must > >>> >>> > have > >>> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was > >>> 'Dead' > >>> >>> > which > >>> >>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you > link > >>> them > >>> >>> > > > together, for ex: > >>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child > >>> >>> relationship. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be > >>> about UI > >>> >>> > > > only... For ex > >>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis > >>> >>> > > purely > >>> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature". > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is > >>> related > >>> >>> to > >>> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states > but > >>> I've > >>> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I > work > >>> on > >>> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way > it > >>> >>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), > >>> >>> > considering > >>> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual > >>> aspects, > >>> >>> so > >>> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for > this > >>> >>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the > >>> subwiki > >>> >>> " > >>> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs > Implementation > >>> makes > >>> >>> > me > >>> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric > >>> view :) > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals > that > >>> don't > >>> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a special page > to > >>> be set > >>> >>> > as > >>> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature). > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > I also don't understand what > >>> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot > include > >>> >>> > > > requirements? > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying > related > >>> >>> pages > >>> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page > have > >>> >>> > children > >>> >>> > > it will display them. > >>> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me > fix > >>> it. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > Thanks, > >>> >>> > > Caty > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't > >>> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work > together > >>> and > >>> >>> are > >>> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :) > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > Thanks! > >>> >>> > > > -Vincent > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status > >>> might > >>> >>> not > >>> >>> > be > >>> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel > free to > >>> >>> mark > >>> >>> > > your > >>> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent > >>> hierarchy if > >>> >>> > you > >>> >>> > > > find > >>> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place. > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Thanks, > >>> >>> > > > > Caty > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne > >>> >>> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > >>> >>> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> > > > > > > Hi, > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting: > >>> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that > will > >>> hold > >>> >>> > > > > development > >>> >>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki > will > >>> >>> > deprecate > >>> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > +1 > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki: > >>> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means > >>> implementations > >>> >>> > > waiting > >>> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not > >>> design > >>> >>> and > >>> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name > of a > >>> >>> github > >>> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for > example. > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new > >>> wiki > >>> >>> > > (example > >>> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes): > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that > >>> it's as > >>> >>> > easy > >>> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to > actually > >>> be > >>> >>> > used. > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: * > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are located in > >>> >>> multiple > >>> >>> > > > > places: > >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture: > >>> >>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ > >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface: > >>> >>> > > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ > >>> >>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, > http://jira.xwiki.org > >>> , > >>> >>> > chats, > >>> >>> > > > git > >>> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is > >>> hard to > >>> >>> > > track > >>> >>> > > > > if > >>> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information. > >>> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize > and > >>> lots > >>> >>> > of > >>> >>> > > > the > >>> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. * > >>> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining > >>> >>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and > >>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place. > >>> >>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times before ( > >>> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and > >>> >>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) > and the > >>> >>> vote > >>> >>> > > was > >>> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction. > >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called > >>> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat > >>> >>> > > > > will > >>> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will target > >>> >>> developers. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's > >>> development > >>> >>> > > > process > >>> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions > >>> >>> alternatives, > >>> >>> > > user > >>> >>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific > >>> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement. > >>> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly > >>> >>> documented > >>> >>> > in > >>> >>> > > > the > >>> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org). > >>> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in > >>> order to > >>> >>> > > > > > demonstrate > >>> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not > add > >>> >>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, > etc.). > >>> For > >>> >>> > this > >>> >>> > > > case > >>> >>> > > > > > it > >>> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own > >>> instance or > >>> >>> > use > >>> >>> > > > the > >>> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community > admin > >>> and > >>> >>> the > >>> >>> > > wiki > >>> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org: > >>> Design > >>> >>> > will > >>> >>> > > be > >>> >>> > > > > > moved > >>> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. * > >>> >>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is > >>> better > >>> >>> for > >>> >>> > > the > >>> >>> > > > > new > >>> >>> > > > > > > wiki: > >>> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org > >>> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.* > >>> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look > >>> like: > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information > related > >>> to > >>> >>> it, > >>> >>> > > > making > >>> >>> > > > > > it > >>> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 > categories: > >>> >>> > Analysis, > >>> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each > >>> category > >>> >>> > > having > >>> >>> > > > > > it's > >>> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe. > >>> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller > >>> >>> proposals > >>> >>> > > > will > >>> >>> > > > > > have > >>> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas. > >>> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated > space. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by > me. > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think. > >>> >>> > > > > > > Thanks, > >>> >>> > > > > > > Caty > >>> >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > > > > > > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > > > > > > [email protected] > >>> >>> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > -- > >>> >>> > > > > > Thomas Mortagne > >>> >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > > > > > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > > > > > [email protected] > >>> >>> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > > > > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > > > > [email protected] > >>> >>> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > > > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > > > [email protected] > >>> >>> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > > [email protected] > >>> >>> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> > devs mailing list > >>> >>> > [email protected] > >>> >>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> devs mailing list > >>> >>> [email protected] > >>> >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> >>> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> devs mailing list > >>> >> [email protected] > >>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Thomas Mortagne > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thomas Mortagne > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> devs mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Mortagne > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
