> On 12 Oct 2016, at 18:47, Guillaume Delhumeau <guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com> 
> wrote:
> Just some remarks before I go:
> * As a developer, I always use the Wiki editor, and even for me it's a pain
> to go to view mode to upload a file (for example, an image in the release
> notes).
> * I never use drag&drop in whatever application I have. I have never liked
> it because it requires to open a file explorer specially for that and it's
> always a pain because I use applications in full size mode. I'm sure I'm
> not the only one so I'm not fond of having it as the only way to upload
> attachments.

For the sake of the discussion, also note that there’s another option. Don’t 
leave the view page when editing (ie. inline editing) and just replace the view 
area by an edit area. And find how to display the page syntax and 
include/display references in the UI.

The nice part is that it 1) it saves a reload of the UI (good for perf) and 2) 
it feels more snappy and no context switching for the user (better usability).

If you remember this was a proposal done a very long time ago by Jean-Vincent 
Drean (tried to find the thread again but didn’t succeed).


> Thanks,
> 2016-10-12 18:00 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com>:
>> There are some problems with docextra, because it contains comments, which
>> are mostly needed in view mode, not in edit. So in edit mode, we would need
>> just some tabs from docextra. But I'm not sure that adding docextra now
>> will fix the underlying problem of the issue.
>> The issue was trying to fix the attachments uploading limitation of the
>> editor. The problem is that the editors (including CKEditor) are
>> advertising that they add images and not other file types. If users want to
>> add a PDF they might be confused.
>> Ideally the users would just need to drag&drop a file and we would insert a
>> displayer depending on the dragged type (viewer for PDFs, gallery for
>> multiple images, image macro for single image, etc.)
>> Also even if in CKEditor the drag&drop option for images is permitted,
>> nobody knows about it. And currently CKEditor has the limitation to allow
>> dragging just images and not other types (dragging an image inserts it,
>> dragging a text file does nothing).
>> Other thing to consider is that for Groupware flavor, where we promote
>> applications, we hide the docextra, since this is not so relevant for
>> application entries. Hidding docextra creates
>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13799 and
>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12993 .
>> So, a conclusion: I'm not sure adding #docextra in the edit mode is the
>> best solution, especially since we try to make the interface more simple
>> and we usually hide docextra also from view.
>> An idea would be to better mark in the Edit mode that Drag&Drop is
>> permitted (at least for the CKEditor - the wiki mode will still have the
>> same issue). Have a drag&drop behavior also for other file types, not just
>> images (for text files we could create a link for the attached file, etc.).
>> Plus have a link to manually go to the attachments viewer as a backup (by
>> fixing the 2 additional issues mentioned). The problem will still remain on
>> wiki mode, but let's say those users are more advanced and know how to use
>> viewers (although consistency between the edit modes would be ideal).
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
>> guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Currently a user have 2 ways to attach a file to a wiki page:
>>> - in the attachment tab in VIEW mode only ;
>>> - if it's an image, using a WYSIWYG editor.
>>> However, if it's not an image, you cannot add it while you're writing the
>>> content. It's a bit as if you were not able to attach a file while you
>> were
>>> writing an email... not user friendly!
>>> So we have this issue: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-5400
>>> To fix it, I see 2 options:
>>> - add the handling of attachments in edit mode.
>>> - add *all* docextra tabs like we have in view mode (it's not because you
>>> are editing a page that you don't need to see the history of the page,
>> nor
>>> the comments).
>>> But this might be not relevant for the class and the object editor.
>>> My proposal:
>>> * Display docextra tabs by default.
>>> * In class and object editors, set $docExtras = [].
>>> * Set $docExtras = [] in all sheets where we consider it's not relevant
>> to
>>> have the tabs.
>>> WDYT?
>>> Thanks,

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