On Tuesday, 18 October 2016 at 20:51:24 UTC, Karabuta wrote:
They will not understand. Those are the UX stuff you learn when
you are a web designer/developer.
True. Anybody can make a website. A website that is efficient,
takes time. A stupid travel booking website took over a year with
constant meeting to design around here. The result is a efficient
design but it takes time.
It is easy to not understand the impact when your already know
D. Test it on a new user and see. Moreover, unless D is not
meant to be a first programming language to learn, then we are
far from gaining new adopters with the current information.
Its the same issue with other languages. Go has the advantage of
being a big brand name thanks to Google and that is a big part of
its success. When looking at Nim or other languages, you always
see the issue of elitist thinking ( its not a insult ). People
who are so used to the language, that they do not understand how
some of there code example are too complex for beginners.
I ended ordering Ali's book "Programming in D" yesterday because
after seeing his Youtube Dcon2016 video, he knows how to explain
topics to users. His multi thread youtube video was very
informative yet, relative to the topic simple to understand. And
his book reviews reflect this also.
No offense to Andrei, while his is funny, he is simply thinking
above my head. Walter is actually better at explain things.
I have no problem admitting that my skills are horrible after
being stuck for the last 15 years in PHP ( and perl a few years
). It also means that when something is above my head, i
instantly notice that.
The tour examples are clearly written by people who have
less/limited/lacking teaching skills.
The Learn / Tour is not bad. Far from it. Its just too technical.
Having dealt with a series of alternative languages, the dlang
website is well designed and more user friendly then a lot like
nim, crystal ...
But the dlang site is too much designed around people who already
have a C/C++ interest. Those same type of people that you will
NOT easily convert to D because they already have powerful tools
available. There are a few reviews about D online, that state the
same issue. D is more powerful then C++ but converting people
from that mature ecosystem, even with C++ its flaws, is difficult.
How do you win a visitor's interest in 2-5 seconds?
By using simple to the point communication.
= First time programmers:
* A simple example. Lets say a bit more advanced then "Hello
World" but not so advanced that we trow template at there face.
= Somebody with a PHP/Scripting background ( big potential group
):
* A http server example ( vibe.d? ). With some benchmarks where
it beats PHP/Apache ( people are stat whores *lol* ).
Etc ...
Its the same reason why the home page needs a multi-tab example
sheet.
People see first example, its interesting but they want to see
more. They click on tab 2, tab 3, ... going down the examples.
Each showing more & more the power of D.
Or even better, the tabs rotate every x seconds if you are not
holding your mouse over them.
Going full C++ hog on the first example, simply limits your
market potential. If a C++ programmer comes here, there is less
change that he is pushed away from a first simple language
example, then the reverse. Where a non-advanced programmer comes
here and is confronted with a more advanced example.
The fact that D supports a lot of templates is besides the point.
Showing this is something in maybe the 3 or 4th example. You
always first start with the basics.
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... Same reason why i mention a example page, where you can see a
multitude of techniques in one go. Something to "Wet the beak" of
people who first get introduced to the website.
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Another issue i noticed is the twitter channel. Too much Asian
language posts. Its pushing away information for all the rest who
do not speak Mandarin/Japanese? It simply does not present
cleanly. There needs to be some moderating going on there.
Like i said, this is all from my perspective as a D newbie. And i
am not afraid to say that i am a D newbie :)
