Graeme, Please read through for my comments...
Charles Daminato TUCOWS Product Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Graeme wrote: > Tom Brown wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Paul Andersen wrote: > > > Good Day All, > > > > > > When a domain goes from SUSP to TBR it is no longer available for > > > registration by the old registrant. It will be opened for > registration at > > > Noon that day. The old registrant *cannot* claw it back as it is > known. > > With respect to you sir...I beg to differ as I have seen this happen on > a couple TBR domains, the latest one was on Friday, in which a registrar > told me the the previous owner was the same as the present one. I am > constantly being told that the owner re-registered it at the last > second. This comment is one I can not accept, therefore I have to call > something devious is happening with the TBR domains. Just think, for an > example if you were the original owner of the domain name dotca.ca, > would you leave it to the last second to re-register it...I don't think > so, but that scenario happened within the last two weeks (plus or > minus). I'd really have to know the domains in question. The domain, as stated by Paul, isn't "clawed" back, but the original user may just be getting the name - this is likely (even if in your experience it seems to coincidental) > > > To register a TBR domain name the registrar needs to send a TBR > request > > > during the TBR period which is Noon to 6PM each day. During that > period > > > the regular whois will show the name as 'TBR' -- the winner won't be > shown > > > until 6PM. > > I have tried that also, without success, as some registrar's on the CIRA > list are not capable, or don't want to for *liability* reasons or are > not sanctioned by the CIRA to do so, or are sanctioned but are unable to > help other than with lame excuses after the fact. I have noticed that > baremetal.com and Tucows have the ability to perform this straight > forward faction and would like to ask for your assistance in performing > this *miracle* the next time it comes up? My registrar has not a clue > how to help me, and after 4 unsuccessful attempts in will remove my > domains from that company. CIRA says I should be able to do it myself > after the 6:PM deadline but at that time whois shows that the TBR domain > has been registered. This happened every time to me, and I'm getting > irrupted about the fruitless time consumption. The TBR system is not > working for me and I ask again if some registrar on this list will > help/prove that it is possible to register a TBR domain. Use https://batch.opensrs.net/resellers/ - if you *really* want a name you should start trying at noon the day the domain will be released. Chances are someone else wants the name too, and the registry does work on a FCFS basis (as do most). I (personally) got penguins.ca (which I think is a pretty good one) through the TBR process. Worked for me first time (someone hadn't taken it yet). Another example (thank you for one of our dev guys who did some digging this weekend to ensure our TBR system isn't broken) is 128.ca - it's still in TBR status, but you can still get this name (or you can as of this writing, I'm hoping someone doesn't take it while we're talking!). This might not be a name you want, but it shows that it's possible > > good summary. Here is another. > > > > 31 days after their renewal date, domain registrations are > > cancelled and the domains are marked TBR (to be released). This > > happens shortly after midnight (eastern time). TBR domains become > > available for "TBR registration" at noon on the same day. If they > > are not registered during the 6 hour "TBR registration" period, > > then they are deleted completely and become available for normal > > registration. > > > > > Your registrar also needs to do some other pre-queue work like > ensuring > > > that the status of the registrant is good. > > > > and hopefully checking that there are no conflicting domains at > > another level. > > > > > A lot of people tend to say that the system never works for them > because > > > they never get any domain names. We here see quite a bit of interest > and > > > competition for names; and there are 80 other registrars fighting > for the > > > names. > > I am not calling *sour grapes* here, I am merely telling of my > experience. I am not a soar loser, I'm just pissed at trying to acquire > what I feel will be hot domains sometime in the future, without success. > Frankly folks...I know something is wrong with this system from > experience. You have to remember that if you think it's a hot domain, many other people will as well and will be attempting to get the name. If you see a name listed in "TBR" and when you attempt you get "Domain taken" (you MUST be doing this from https://batch.opensrs.net/resellers/) then someone simply beat you to it... this is the same as it happens in the CNO world. > > I don't think there are 80... but certainly between 10 and 20 that are > > > competent in the 'hunt for TBR registrations' game. > > The number of domain *hunters* is not relevant to the topic here. > Competition is fine...it is the system that appears stinky. In my experience (and others reflected on this list) the system seems fine. Of course, I (and CIRA) would need to know which specific domains you are refering to so we can address your concerns. > > > If there is a specific question I'd be happy to answer. > > My question is will you help me register a TBR domain, once, so I way > understand the methodology to the madness of the current system. Would > somebody offer to help me the next time a hot domain becomes available? Which registrar do you want to do this through? For Tucows the instructions (and they work) are listed here: http://resellers.tucows.com/opensrs/catbr Note the available names link is incorrect on that page and should point (and will get updated to): http://cira3.cira.ca/cira/tbrlist_p > > Ditto. And having some of these domain names should help simplify > things. > > Knowing the date you wanted to register it and the creation date on > the > > domain would clarify whether it was re-registered or someone _did_ get > it > > in the TBR fight... > > Respectfully, > > Graeme > > > > > > > -Tom > > > > > > >
