Ok... while I don't have access to the previous owner for this domain,
I'll ask around to see if I can get that for you :)  Note that careers.ca
is a "nice" domain, so...

Charles Daminato
TUCOWS Product Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Graeme wrote:

> Ok...thanks for your info Charles. The domain that two of us list member were
> trying to get on Friday was careers.ca FYI.
> Thanks for the help and take care,
>
> Graeme
>
> Charles Daminato wrote:
>
> > FWIW (and as a followup to my previous email)
> >
> > I just tried to get phuck.ca, which according to CIRA was available for
> > today's TBR window.
> >
> > I got the domain name on the second try (the first time the interface told
> > me that today's TBR window wouldn't be opened for 1 minute and 7 seconds)
> >
> > Please ensure that you're following the correct process.
> >
> > Charles Daminato
> > TUCOWS Product Manager
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Graeme wrote:
> >
> > > Tom Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Paul Andersen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Day All,
> > > > >
> > > > >   When a domain goes from SUSP to TBR it is no longer available for
> > > > > registration by the old registrant. It will be opened for
> > > registration at
> > > > > Noon that day. The old registrant *cannot* claw it back as it is
> > > known.
> > >
> > > With respect to you sir...I beg to differ as I have seen this happen on
> > > a couple
> > > TBR domains, the latest one was on Friday, in which a registrar told me
> > > the the
> > > previous owner was the same as the present one. I am constantly being
> > > told that
> > > the owner re-registered it at the last second. This comment is one I can
> > > not
> > > accept, therefore I have to call something devious is happening with the
> > > TBR
> > > domains. Just think, for an example if you were the original owner of
> > > the domain
> > > name dotca.ca, would you leave it to the last second to re-register
> > > it...I don't
> > > think so, but that scenario happened within the last two weeks (plus or
> > > minus).
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   To register a TBR domain name the registrar needs to send a TBR
> > > request
> > > > > during the TBR period which is Noon to 6PM each day. During that
> > > period
> > > > > the regular whois will show the name as 'TBR' -- the winner won't be
> > > shown
> > > > > until 6PM.
> > >
> > > I have tried that also, without success, as some registrar's on the CIRA
> > > list
> > > are not capable, or don't want to for *liability* reasons or are not
> > > sanctioned
> > > by the CIRA to do so, or are sanctioned but are unable to help other
> > > than with
> > > lame excuses after the fact. I have noticed that baremetal.com and
> > > Tucows have
> > > the ability to perform this straight forward faction and would like to
> > > ask for
> > > your assistance in performing this *miracle* the next time it comes up?
> > > My
> > > registrar has not a clue how to help me, and after 4 unsuccessful
> > > attempts in
> > > will remove my domains from that company. CIRA says I should be able to
> > > do it
> > > myself after the 6:PM deadline but at that time whois shows that the TBR
> > > domain
> > > has been registered. This happened every time to me, and I'm getting
> > > irrupted
> > > about the fruitless time consumption. The TBR system is not working for
> > > me and I
> > > ask again if some registrar on this list will help/prove that it is
> > > possible to
> > > register a TBR domain.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > good summary. Here is another.
> > > >
> > > >    31 days after their renewal date, domain registrations are
> > > >    cancelled and the domains are marked TBR (to be released). This
> > > >    happens shortly after midnight (eastern time). TBR domains become
> > > >    available for "TBR registration" at noon on the same day. If they
> > > >    are not registered during the 6 hour "TBR registration" period,
> > > >    then they are deleted completely and become available for normal
> > > >    registration.
> > > >
> > > > >   Your registrar also needs to do some other pre-queue work like
> > > ensuring
> > > > > that the status of the registrant is good.
> > > >
> > > > and hopefully checking that there are no conflicting domains at
> > > > another level.
> > > >
> > > > >   A lot of people tend to say that the system never works for them
> > > because
> > > > > they never get any domain names. We here see quite a bit of interest
> > > and
> > > > > competition for names; and there are 80 other registrars fighting
> > > for the
> > > > > names.
> > >
> > > I am not calling *sour grapes* here, I am merely telling of my
> > > experience. I am
> > > not a soar loser, I'm just pissed at trying to acquire what I feel will
> > > be hot
> > > domains sometime in the future, without success. Frankly folks...I know
> > > something is wrong with this system from experience.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't think there are 80... but certainly between 10 and 20 that are
> > >
> > > > competent in the 'hunt for TBR registrations' game.
> > >
> > > The number of domain *hunters* is not relevant to the topic here.
> > > Competition is
> > > fine...it is the system that appears stinky.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >   If there is a specific question I'd be happy to answer.
> > >
> > > My question is will you help me register a TBR domain, once, so I way
> > > understand
> > > the methodology to the madness of the current system. Would somebody
> > > offer to
> > > help me the next time a hot domain becomes available?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ditto. And having some of these domain names should help simplify
> > > things.
> > > > Knowing the date you wanted to register it and the creation date on
> > > the
> > > > domain would clarify whether it was re-registered or someone _did_ get
> > > it
> > > > in the TBR fight...
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

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