Ross, if the customer buys a domain for 10 years and uses a stolen credit card, and I don't find out about it until 20 days after the registration. Since they never paid for the registration to begin with in my model which is registrar->customer, I paid for the domain the customer did not. In this case I am the owner, and we have talked with "certain people" who agree with us on this one. In the registrar->reseller->customer model, that's something completely different.
Donny > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark Petersen' > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > At point in time does the registrar or the reseller have any claim of > "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't been paid, the "right" thing > to > do is delete it. The registrar has no superior claims to a domaim...we are > also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of your registrar accreditation > agreement is pretty specific about this. Besides, you should know better > than to let other registrars set a bad example for you. If this was the > best > way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as Network Solutions - and be > charging $35 a year for the privilege. > > Can't say that I like it much, but the rules are there to be played by - > except by those that don't. > > -rwr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Charles Daminato'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark Petersen'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo! > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > Chuck, > > Don't want to make this any worse, but we do the same thing at > > directNIC. If a customer charges back on us, they did not pay for the > > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the registration fees, but I paid the > > chargeback fees. So we take the domains and put them up for sale. If I > > could I would redirect them to some horse porn site, but the owners > > wouldn't let me. :) > > > > So I do understand why register.com and godaddy confiscate domains. > > > > Donny > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-discuss- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Daminato > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM > > > To: Mark Petersen > > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > Precedence does not make it "right". I don't fully understand the > > > legalities of it (Ross would have to explain - Ross?), but I > > > believe Register does not take control of the domain (i.e. they > > > don't assume ownership and sell to soemone else). They simply > > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on hold until the day it > > > expires (then it goes up for deletion) > > > > > > Charles Daminato > > > TUCOWS Product Manager > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote: > > > > > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is allowed to seize domains on a > > daily > > > > basis. > > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS information from whatever > > *was* > > > there > > > > to: > > > > > > > > register.com > > > > Unpaid Names Department-R > > > > 575 Eighth Avenue > > > > New York, NY 10018 > > > > US > > > > Phone: 212-798-9200 > > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876 > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to? > > > > It's supposed to be a level playing field, right? > > > > Good luck, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > Mark Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM > > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is against ICANN reg's for > > > > > me to change admin info after a customer refunds on the > > > > > domain name registration: > > > > > > > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are not allowed to change > > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. It appears as though > > > > > you are trying to take away someone else's property." > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it looks. I've offered the > > > > > refund codes from the merchant account holder LinkPoint > > > > > themselves so there's proof behind appearances. > > > > > > > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's talking to? I can't find it > > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I don't mind complying > > > > > with written rules if I can find them, but I'd rather not > > > > > let this woman steal three domain name registrations if I > > > > > don't have to! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > John > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
