Ross mentioned it earlier in the thread: "section 3.5 of your registrar accreditation agreement"
You can get that here: http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm Charles Daminato TUCOWS Product Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John T. Jarrett wrote: > Consider this a lobby to our supplier! > > Still, tho, Paul said it violated ICANN rules, but I can't > find it and I still haven't been pointed to any ICANN > document which says what you are saying. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:14 PM > > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark Petersen' > > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > Donny - I'm not the one that you need to convince > > - the contract is pretty > > clear in stating that at no point does the > > registrar hold any rights to the > > domain name, nor any elements of the domain name > > record. If it hasn't been > > paid for, then the requirements are also very > > clear that the name shouldn't > > exist (and should therefore be deleted). Do you > > lose? Yup - but that just > > means that those that are concerned about it > > should a) be focusing their > > dev. time on implementing registrar_hold and > > registrar_lock implementations > > that deal with the issue and/or b) lobbying their > > supplier for more > > favorable terms. > > > > -rwr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Ross Wm. Rader'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "'Charles Daminato'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark Petersen'" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 00:05 Moo! > > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > Ross, if the customer buys a domain for 10 > > years and uses a stolen > > > credit card, and I don't find out about it > > until 20 days after the > > > registration. Since they never paid for the > > registration to begin with > > > in my model which is registrar->customer, I > > paid for the domain the > > > customer did not. In this case I am the owner, > > and we have talked with > > > "certain people" who agree with us on this one. In the > > > registrar->reseller->customer model, that's > > something completely > > > different. > > > > > > Donny > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM > > > > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark > > Petersen' > > > > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > At point in time does the registrar or the > > reseller have any claim of > > > > "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't > > been paid, the "right" > > > thing > > > > to > > > > do is delete it. The registrar has no > > superior claims to a domaim...we > > > are > > > > also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of > > your registrar > > > accreditation > > > > agreement is pretty specific about this. > > Besides, you should know > > > better > > > > than to let other registrars set a bad > > example for you. If this was > > > the > > > > best > > > > way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as > > Network Solutions - and > > > be > > > > charging $35 a year for the privilege. > > > > > > > > Can't say that I like it much, but the rules > > are there to be played by > > > - > > > > except by those that don't. > > > > > > > > -rwr > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "'Charles Daminato'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "'Mark Petersen'" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo! > > > > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > Don't want to make this any worse, but we > > do the same thing at > > > > > directNIC. If a customer charges back on > > us, they did not pay for > > > the > > > > > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the > > registration fees, but I paid > > > the > > > > > chargeback fees. So we take the domains > > and put them up for sale. > > > If I > > > > > could I would redirect them to some horse > > porn site, but the owners > > > > > wouldn't let me. :) > > > > > > > > > > So I do understand why register.com and > > godaddy confiscate domains. > > > > > > > > > > Donny > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:owner-discuss- > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Daminato > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM > > > > > > To: Mark Petersen > > > > > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > Precedence does not make it "right". I > > don't fully understand the > > > > > > legalities of it (Ross would have to > > explain - Ross?), but I > > > > > > believe Register does not take control of > > the domain (i.e. they > > > > > > don't assume ownership and sell to > > soemone else). They simply > > > > > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on > > hold until the day it > > > > > > expires (then it goes up for deletion) > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Daminato > > > > > > TUCOWS Product Manager > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is > > allowed to seize domains on > > > a > > > > > daily > > > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS > > information from whatever > > > > > *was* > > > > > > there > > > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > register.com > > > > > > > Unpaid Names Department-R > > > > > > > 575 Eighth Avenue > > > > > > > New York, NY 10018 > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > Phone: 212-798-9200 > > > > > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876 > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to? > > > > > > > It's supposed to be a level playing > > field, right? > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is > > against ICANN reg's for > > > > > > > > me to change admin info after a > > customer refunds on the > > > > > > > > domain name registration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are > > not allowed to change > > > > > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. > > It appears as though > > > > > > > > you are trying to take away someone > > else's property." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it > > looks. I've offered the > > > > > > > > refund codes from the merchant > > account holder LinkPoint > > > > > > > > themselves so there's proof behind > > appearances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's > > talking to? I can't find it > > > > > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I > > don't mind complying > > > > > > > > with written rules if I can find > > them, but I'd rather not > > > > > > > > let this woman steal three domain > > name registrations if I > > > > > > > > don't have to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
