THANKS! Sorry, Ross.
Now I need to go find a chalk board to try to flow line that puppy and figure out what it means. "3.5 Rights in Data. Registrar disclaims all rights to exclusive ownership or use of the data elements..." I can figure out well enough, but the rest of it reads like an Italian noodle convention! John > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:chuck@;catalyst.tucows.com]On > Behalf Of Charles Daminato > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:47 AM > To: John T. Jarrett > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > Ross mentioned it earlier in the thread: > > "section 3.5 of your registrar accreditation agreement" > > You can get that here: > > http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm > > Charles Daminato > TUCOWS Product Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John T. Jarrett wrote: > > > Consider this a lobby to our supplier! > > > > Still, tho, Paul said it violated ICANN rules, > but I can't > > find it and I still haven't been pointed to any ICANN > > document which says what you are saying. > > > > John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:14 PM > > > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark > Petersen' > > > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > Donny - I'm not the one that you need to convince > > > - the contract is pretty > > > clear in stating that at no point does the > > > registrar hold any rights to the > > > domain name, nor any elements of the domain name > > > record. If it hasn't been > > > paid for, then the requirements are also very > > > clear that the name shouldn't > > > exist (and should therefore be deleted). Do you > > > lose? Yup - but that just > > > means that those that are concerned about it > > > should a) be focusing their > > > dev. time on implementing registrar_hold and > > > registrar_lock implementations > > > that deal with the issue and/or b) lobbying their > > > supplier for more > > > favorable terms. > > > > > > -rwr > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "'Ross Wm. Rader'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > "'Charles Daminato'" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark Petersen'" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 00:05 Moo! > > > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > Ross, if the customer buys a domain for 10 > > > years and uses a stolen > > > > credit card, and I don't find out about it > > > until 20 days after the > > > > registration. Since they never paid for the > > > registration to begin with > > > > in my model which is registrar->customer, I > > > paid for the domain the > > > > customer did not. In this case I am the owner, > > > and we have talked with > > > > "certain people" who agree with us on this > one. In the > > > > registrar->reseller->customer model, that's > > > something completely > > > > different. > > > > > > > > Donny > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@;tucows.com] > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM > > > > > To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark > > > Petersen' > > > > > Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > At point in time does the registrar or the > > > reseller have any claim of > > > > > "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't > > > been paid, the "right" > > > > thing > > > > > to > > > > > do is delete it. The registrar has no > > > superior claims to a domaim...we > > > > are > > > > > also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of > > > your registrar > > > > accreditation > > > > > agreement is pretty specific about this. > > > Besides, you should know > > > > better > > > > > than to let other registrars set a bad > > > example for you. If this was > > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as > > > Network Solutions - and > > > > be > > > > > charging $35 a year for the privilege. > > > > > > > > > > Can't say that I like it much, but the rules > > > are there to be played by > > > > - > > > > > except by those that don't. > > > > > > > > > > -rwr > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Donny Simonton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "'Charles Daminato'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > "'Mark Petersen'" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo! > > > > > Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > Don't want to make this any worse, but we > > > do the same thing at > > > > > > directNIC. If a customer charges back on > > > us, they did not pay for > > > > the > > > > > > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the > > > registration fees, but I paid > > > > the > > > > > > chargeback fees. So we take the domains > > > and put them up for sale. > > > > If I > > > > > > could I would redirect them to some horse > > > porn site, but the owners > > > > > > wouldn't let me. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > So I do understand why register.com and > > > godaddy confiscate domains. > > > > > > > > > > > > Donny > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:owner-discuss- > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Charles Daminato > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM > > > > > > > To: Mark Petersen > > > > > > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Precedence does not make it "right". I > > > don't fully understand the > > > > > > > legalities of it (Ross would have to > > > explain - Ross?), but I > > > > > > > believe Register does not take control of > > > the domain (i.e. they > > > > > > > don't assume ownership and sell to > > > soemone else). They simply > > > > > > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on > > > hold until the day it > > > > > > > expires (then it goes up for deletion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Daminato > > > > > > > TUCOWS Product Manager > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is > > > allowed to seize domains on > > > > a > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS > > > information from whatever > > > > > > *was* > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > register.com > > > > > > > > Unpaid Names Department-R > > > > > > > > 575 Eighth Avenue > > > > > > > > New York, NY 10018 > > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > Phone: 212-798-9200 > > > > > > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876 > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we > be able to? > > > > > > > > It's supposed to be a level playing > > > field, right? > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is > > > against ICANN reg's for > > > > > > > > > me to change admin info after a > > > customer refunds on the > > > > > > > > > domain name registration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are > > > not allowed to change > > > > > > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. > > > It appears as though > > > > > > > > > you are trying to take away someone > > > else's property." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it > > > looks. I've offered the > > > > > > > > > refund codes from the merchant > > > account holder LinkPoint > > > > > > > > > themselves so there's proof behind > > > appearances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's > > > talking to? I can't find it > > > > > > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I > > > don't mind complying > > > > > > > > > with written rules if I can find > > > them, but I'd rather not > > > > > > > > > let this woman steal three domain > > > name registrations if I > > > > > > > > > don't have to! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
