> As I remember, maybe I wrong, there is nothing about RSPs
> in ICANN contract. Only chain registry-registrar-registrant.
>
Correct.
> Registrar pay to registry, registrant pay to registrar.
> So, registrant is person or organization who pay registrar
> for domains.
> If RSP pay registrar for domain, it mean that registrant == RSP.
Incorrect. The Registrant is the individual or entity that has
contracted with the registrar for the service through the terms in
Exhibit A. Who paid might help sort out the facts in extreme
circumstances, but it doesn't have a lot of bearing day to day.
> And registrant can do with domain whatever he want - even
> sell or lease them and can modify any information in his
> domains as long as he pay for them.
>
Correct.
> This simple scheme work for lot's of registrars with
> resellers, but somehow not for OpenSRS, but OpenSRS have
> other advantages, so not much resellers care about this.
Incorrect. The situation that you describes prevents registrants from
effectively managing their domain name because of third party
interference with the registration and management of the domain name.
Our policy is pretty clear and pretty fair - if you are listed as one of
the contacts, then we presume that you are acting on behalf of the
registrant unless they tell us otherwise. If you abide by these rules,
then there is no reason why you can't make the modifications, etc. that
you need to.
> other advantages, so not much resellers care about this.
Resellers should continue to care about this kind of thing, but please,
never assume that any of this is simple. It'll be a long time before we
let the "simple schemes" of uninformed registrars set the bar for our
behavior.
-rwr
"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
idiot."
- Steven Wright
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sergei Kolodka
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Back to OpenSRS I come
>
>
> Hello Ross,
>
> As I remember, maybe I wrong, there is nothing about RSPs
> in ICANN contract. Only chain registry-registrar-registrant.
>
> Registrar pay to registry, registrant pay to registrar.
> So, registrant is person or organization who pay registrar
> for domains.
> If RSP pay registrar for domain, it mean that registrant == RSP.
>
> And registrant can do with domain whatever he want - even
> sell or lease them and can modify any information in his
> domains as long as he pay for them.
>
> This simple scheme work for lot's of registrars with
> resellers, but somehow not for OpenSRS, but OpenSRS have
> other advantages, so not much resellers care about this.
> Different scheme uses GoDaddy - they use resellers, but they
> charge directly customer, so for GoDaddy registrant ==
> customer, and reseller definitely can't change nothing in
> domains, he didn't pay for them.
>
> Am I wrong ?
>
>
> --
> sK
>
>
> RWR> No - modifications to a record that are made without the
> RWR> appropriate consent (explicit or implicit) brings liability that
> RWR> the modifier would exclusively bear. I'm not aware that we are
> RWR> engaging in this type of behavior as a registrar, so I
> would have
> RWR> to say no, its not a risk that we incur as well.
>
> >> I am especially interested in this "violation of ICANN regs" since
> >> every registrar in existence does what pleases them best anyway,
> >> despite contracts with ICANN, ICANN states not to be the party to
> >> enforce, so where does that lead in the end.
>
> RWR> I'm not going to be an apologist for ICANN - they should be
> RWR> enforcing their contracts. And while I said ICANN, I
> would be far
> RWR> happier if the registries started enforcing theirs - a
> much better
> RWR> place to start.
>
> RWR> Thanks,
>
>
> RWR> -rwr
>
>
>
>
> RWR> Got Blog? http://www.byte.org
>
> RWR> "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for
> the freedom
> RWR> of thought which they seldom use."
> RWR> - Soren Kierkegaard
>
>
>
> RWR> ----- Original Message -----
> RWR> From: "Abel Wisman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RWR> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RWR> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RWR> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:29 AM
> RWR> Subject: RE: Back to OpenSRS I come
>
>
> >> Care to explain, besides the liability towards the customer,
> >> something the registrar has in your case, what ground
> there would be
> >> to be sued out of existence ? And isn't that a risk
> tucows/OpenSRS is
> >> running as well ?
> >>
> >> I am especially interested in this "violation of ICANN regs" since
> >> every registrar in existence does what pleases them best anyway,
> >> despite contracts with ICANN, ICANN states not to be the party to
> >> enforce, so where does that lead in the end.
> >>
> >> Abel
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader
> >> Sent: 24 February 2003 04:19
> >> To: ezgoing
> >> Cc: I-Dotter.com OpenSRS-Discus; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: Back to OpenSRS I come
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>SK> All I want to say - sometimes price isn't reason why peoples
> >> >>SK> leave
> >>
> >> >>SK> OpenSRS. There are other, much more important factors.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Actually ez, all of this is a lot more straightforward
> than you make
> >> it out to be. If you check out the policies portion of the
> website,
> >> you'll note that resellers that have the registrant name them the
> >> technical contact makes things a lot easier for
> themselves...without
> >> violating ICANN regs and more importantly, without putting
> themselves
> >> on the line liability wise. It won't be long before one of the
> >> registrars that allows what you advocate in the manner that you
> >> advocate gets sued out of existence.
> >>
> >> -rwr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
