A. My domains are due over a period of time and most are set for automatic renew but that really doesn't matter. Let's assume they are all due on the same day and are not set for automatic renew.
B. OpenSRS sends out a series of messages, starting 90 days before expiration. I renew my domains when I receive this message if they are not set for automatic renewal. So my domains never expire. If I am short of cash, I can renew them at the rate of 30 per pay period, starting with the first notice. So again my domain never expire. C. If I wait till the day my domains are due to expire and something happens to me, then it is my fault that I have not already renewed those domains prior to expiration. After all, OpenSRS sent me a series of warnings to renew plus my reseller sent me two notices the last week prior to expiration, at least my reseller did if my reseller was me. So if they do expire, given the number of notices that I have been sent asking me to renew, it is only my fault that they expired. No matter what happens to me on the day of expiration it is still my fault that I waited and allowed them to expire. But even then I have at least 40 days to recover them before redemption kicks in. So do I now wait an additional 40 days as I know I can renew them during the hold period? And whose fault is it if I also miss renewing them during the hold period? Of course this is a money grab on the part of Verisign. No one in their right mind can doubt that. However for those who do not pay on time it beats the old system in which the domain name is dropped at the end of the 45 day hold period and a speculator grabs it using his superior scripts and/or direct connections. Then the client must pay the speculator $1500 plus to get the domain back. If the speculator will sell it that cheap. I just tried to buy a domain from a speculator who is using it for a advertising portal. Nothing special, just a combination of five letters that matched a client's business name. The price quoted was $30,000.00 as the speculator claims the domain earns him $5000 per year in click through revenue. Which may or may not be true. However my point is that the price that OpenSRS is charging is not that unreasonable given the paperwork that is required by Verisign to regain the domain name during the redemption period. And OpenSRS did not tell me this, I found this out from another Registrar whom I am on very good terms with the reseller manager. She states that they hope to receive very few redemption requests due to the volume of paperwork required to secure the return of the domain name. This is a matter of personal responsibility. The client must take some responsibility for keeping their contact information up to date and for renewing their domains when they receive the renewal notices. If they don't then I don't have sympathy for them when they whine, blaming the Registrar (or me!) for their domain being deleted and registered by somebody else. And I hate the concept of the Redemption period. This friend of mine at the Registrar hates the Redemption Period concept. I would prefer to see the domain deleted at the end of the hold period and made available to somebody that might use it to host a site, not hold on to it for speculation or future use. She hates it for the additional work and headaches it causes them. Plus all the complaints about the high cost of Redemption she expects to receive from resellers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Stocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ezgoing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [redemption period]] Our friend EZGoing gets hit by a car. It so happens that his 175 inactive domains are due THAT day but EZGoing must spend his $1,750 for emergency treatment, in addition to losing the next six weeks of work. After a miserable recovery, EZGoing is discharged on the very day that the first 100 of his 175 domains go into Redemption Grace. How wonderful. Verisign and our naive committee members have saved the day! He only owes $15,000 to $20,000 for being forty days late on his $1,000 payment. He's late and nothing else matters. No excuses allowed. EZGoing, however, gladly pays up because he believes that, "$20,000 is not that high to recover from the mistake of not renewing on time." Suck it up folks. Redemption Grace was not really meant to protect consumers but to line the pockets of Verisign. Was it Martin Luther who wisely observed, "If the Pope can empty Purgatory for the price of an Indulgence, why doesn't he do it out of love?" Redemption? Grace? When you're being extorted for twice the price of WLS -- and 15- 20 times the renewal fee-- think of this payment as a spiritual awakening! Please don't get me wrong. I'm glad we have a Redemption Grace period, as it is the lesser of two evils -- total lose being the other! Yet, it's just SICK to see domain holders victimized for using it! Say "Grace" everyone. Loren www.Evil.Biz "ezgoing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually from what I have been told this is a manual process that requires a lot of paperwork by the registrar to regain the domain from Verisign. Paperwork requires manpower which requires expense. So $150 or $200 may not be that high. And I believe $75 or $85 of that fee goes to Verisign. And there truly isn't any excuse to lose a domain name when you currently have 40 + days from expiration to renew the domain at the normal renewal rate. If a client does not realize his domain is not working prior to 45 days then the domain must not have been that important. If the domain is that important, then $200 is not that high to recover from the mistake on not renewing on time. I own 250 domains out of which I use about 75. I owned more until the change in .org and I decided not to keep the .org of these domains. I know when my domains are due to expire and I definitely know when one of my working domains goes down. I never wait till the last minute to renew. I have heard the argument that the domain may not be active and the client forgot about it or was too busy at the time. But I don't have much sympathy for this type of client. OpenSRS sends out a series of renewal notices in our name plus we send out a final notice five days prior to expiration and a final final the day before deletion. If the client ignores all these notices then the client must take responsibility for losing the domain name or now, pay the redemption fee to recover the domain name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Stocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Readington.Com TLD support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [redemption period] > Well, I realize that this outrageous fee is the result of Verisign's policy, > but have we set an all time record for egregious late fees: 1500%! > > If this were banking people would go to jail for that. Better pay those > renews! > > Loren > > > > "Readington.Com TLD support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Client wants to turn on his domain after 45 day grass period so the domain > is now in redemption period, I've been advised by opensrs that there is > $150ish charge by them plus renewal. > > If client does not want to pay; > > Is there any other means to turn this back on or am I stuck waiting the 75 > days till it 'officialy' expires. And is that 75day rule solid? > > thks > > -steve > readington computers > > > >
