What is "all the paperwork" that everyone is talking about? Couldn't the "redemption" system be designed more efficiently/intelligently?
Swerve > From: "ezgoing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:32:45 -0600 > To: "Loren Stocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Re: [redemption period]] > > A. My domains are due over a period of time and most are set for automatic > renew but that really doesn't matter. Let's assume they are all due on > the same day and are not set for automatic renew. > > B. OpenSRS sends out a series of messages, starting 90 days before > expiration. I renew my domains when I receive this message if they are not > set for automatic renewal. So my domains never expire. > > If I am short of cash, I can renew them at the rate of 30 per pay period, > starting with the first notice. So again my domain never expire. > > > C. If I wait till the day my domains are due to expire and something > happens to me, then it is my fault that I have not already renewed those > domains prior to expiration. After all, OpenSRS sent me a series of > warnings to renew plus my reseller sent me two notices the last week prior > to expiration, at least my reseller did if my reseller was me. So if they > do expire, given the number of notices that I have been sent asking me to > renew, it is only my fault that they expired. No matter what happens to me > on the day of expiration it is still my fault that I waited and allowed them > to expire. But even then I have at least 40 days to recover them before > redemption kicks in. So do I now wait an additional 40 days as I know I can > renew them during the hold period? And whose fault is it if I also miss > renewing them during the hold period? > > Of course this is a money grab on the part of Verisign. No one in their > right mind can doubt that. However for those who do not pay on time it > beats the old system in which the domain name is dropped at the end of the > 45 day hold period and a speculator grabs it using his superior scripts > and/or direct connections. Then the client must pay the speculator $1500 > plus to get the domain back. If the speculator will sell it that cheap. I > just tried to buy a domain from a speculator who is using it for a > advertising portal. Nothing special, just a combination of five letters > that matched a client's business name. The price quoted was $30,000.00 as > the speculator claims the domain earns him $5000 per year in click through > revenue. Which may or may not be true. > > However my point is that the price that OpenSRS is charging is not that > unreasonable given the paperwork that is required by Verisign to regain the > domain name during the redemption period. And OpenSRS did not tell me this, > I found this out from another Registrar whom I am on very good terms with > the reseller manager. She states that they hope to receive very few > redemption requests due to the volume of paperwork required to secure the > return of the domain name. > > This is a matter of personal responsibility. The client must take some > responsibility for keeping their contact information up to date and for > renewing their domains when they receive the renewal notices. If they don't > then I don't have sympathy for them when they whine, blaming the Registrar > (or me!) for their domain being deleted and registered by somebody else. > > And I hate the concept of the Redemption period. This friend of mine at the > Registrar hates the Redemption Period concept. I would prefer to see the > domain deleted at the end of the hold period and made available to somebody > that might use it to host a site, not hold on to it for speculation or > future use. She hates it for the additional work and headaches it causes > them. Plus all the complaints about the high cost of Redemption she expects > to receive from resellers. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loren Stocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ezgoing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Re: [redemption period]] > > > Our friend EZGoing gets hit by a car. > > It so happens that his 175 inactive domains are due THAT day but EZGoing > must > spend his $1,750 for emergency treatment, in addition to losing the next six > weeks of work. > > After a miserable recovery, EZGoing is discharged on the very day that the > first 100 of his 175 domains go into Redemption Grace. How wonderful. > Verisign > and our naive committee members have saved the day! He only owes $15,000 to > $20,000 for being forty days late on his $1,000 payment. He's late and > nothing > else matters. No excuses allowed. > > EZGoing, however, gladly pays up because he believes that, "$20,000 is not > that high to recover from the mistake of not renewing on time." > > Suck it up folks. Redemption Grace was not really meant to protect consumers > but to line the pockets of Verisign. Was it Martin Luther who wisely > observed, > "If the Pope can empty Purgatory for the price of an Indulgence, why doesn't > he do it out of love?" Redemption? Grace? When you're being extorted for > twice > the price of WLS -- and 15- 20 times the renewal fee-- think of this payment > as a spiritual awakening! > > Please don't get me wrong. I'm glad we have a Redemption Grace period, as it > is the lesser of two evils -- total lose being the other! Yet, it's just > SICK > to see domain holders victimized for using it! Say "Grace" everyone. > > Loren > www.Evil.Biz > > > > "ezgoing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually from what I have been told this is a manual process that requires a > lot of paperwork by the registrar to regain the domain from Verisign. > Paperwork requires manpower which requires expense. So $150 or $200 may not > be that high. And I believe $75 or $85 of that fee goes to Verisign. > > And there truly isn't any excuse to lose a domain name when you currently > have 40 + days from expiration to renew the domain at the normal renewal > rate. If a client does not realize his domain is not working prior to 45 > days then the domain must not have been that important. If the domain is > that important, then $200 is not that high to recover from the mistake on > not renewing on time. > > I own 250 domains out of which I use about 75. I owned more until the > change in .org and I decided not to keep the .org of these domains. I know > when my domains are due to expire and I definitely know when one of my > working domains goes down. I never wait till the last minute to renew. > > I have heard the argument that the domain may not be active and the client > forgot about it or was too busy at the time. But I don't have much sympathy > for this type of client. OpenSRS sends out a series of renewal notices in > our name plus we send out a final notice five days prior to expiration and a > final final the day before deletion. If the client ignores all these > notices then the client must take responsibility for losing the domain name > or now, pay the redemption fee to recover the domain name. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loren Stocker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Readington.Com TLD support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [redemption period] > > >> Well, I realize that this outrageous fee is the result of Verisign's > policy, >> but have we set an all time record for egregious late fees: 1500%! >> >> If this were banking people would go to jail for that. Better pay those >> renews! >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> "Readington.Com TLD support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Client wants to turn on his domain after 45 day grass period so the domain >> is now in redemption period, I've been advised by opensrs that there is >> $150ish charge by them plus renewal. >> >> If client does not want to pay; >> >> Is there any other means to turn this back on or am I stuck waiting the 75 >> days till it 'officialy' expires. And is that 75day rule solid? >> >> thks >> >> -steve >> readington computers >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >
