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On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Alex Kozak <[email protected]>wrote: > She's written on the topic before. Here's a recent Huff Post piece (don't > have any papers on the subject atm): > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-samuelson/why-is-the-antitrust-divi_b_258997.html > > She appears to take a more moderate criticism of the project than Siva by > criticizing Google's license and competitive advantage over orphaned works. > > FWIW, I also like this article on the settlement: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-samuelson/why-is-the-antitrust-divi_b_258997.html > > "While issues inherent in our current system of copyright law, including > orphaned works, will continue to impede access, none of these problems is > increased by the settlement.", which is something I agree with. > > - Alex > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Elizabeth Stark <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I talked to Samuelson for FC2008. >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Matt Senate <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Who talked to Samuelson for FC2008? Maybe Ben can contact her? I suppose >>> I could meet her in person if that's necessary. >>> >>> - Matt Senate >>> >>> f...@berkeley >>> >>> Kevin Donovan wrote: >>> > Siva is over-booked as it is. Pinged Derek & James and awaiting >>> > response. Anyone know Brewster or Samuelson and want to email them? >>> > Otherwise I'll do it as a stranger. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Fred Benenson <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Brewster wrote an interesting post on the open Content Alliance >>> > blog noting that Google would prefer copyright reform (read: >>> > orphan works legislation) over the current scenario: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2009/09/12/congressmen-and-google-supports-legislation-as-more-equitable-solution-than-settlement/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ ~ ~ >>> > thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog >>> > work / http://creativecommons.org >>> > sights / http://flickr.com/fcb >>> > sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis >>> > status / http://twitter.com/mecredis >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Matt Senate >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I just went to this conference held at UC Berkeley: >>> > >>> http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/newsandevents/events/20090828googlebooksconference >>> > >>> > Some of the main voices criticizing the settlement were indeed >>> > Samuelson, but also Peter Brantley from Internet Archive, >>> Geoffrey >>> > Nunberg of UCB's ischool and NPR fame, the Samuelson Clinic's >>> > Director >>> > Jason Schultz, and James Love from Knowledge Ecology >>> > International. I >>> > thought James Love and Pam Samuelson very eloquent on the >>> subject. >>> > Geoffrey Nunberg feared that google books would become the >>> "last >>> > library" -- for many reasons, including the fact that the high >>> > cost for >>> > scanning books will probably not be undertaken again, so these >>> > are the >>> > digitial copies we'll be using for quite some time, and also >>> > there are a >>> > number of problems with the ways in which google organizes and >>> > displays >>> > book data (which he claims is insufficient compared to library >>> > standards). >>> > >>> > I meant to put together a blog post about the event and about >>> > the Google >>> > Settlement in general for the SFC blog, but alas, the woes of >>> > being a >>> > full-time student. Let me know if anyone wants a more detailed >>> > outline >>> > of the talk, if so maybe I'll throw something short together. >>> > >>> > - Matt >>> > FC @ Berkeley >>> > >>> > Kevin Donovan wrote: >>> > > I think it might be a good idea to reach out to some of the >>> > most vocal >>> > > observers (pro- and anti-settlement) and ask them for short >>> > pieces on >>> > > why students should care. We can feature these on the blog. >>> > > >>> > > Anyone have names? I'd start with Grimmelman and Pam >>> Samuelson. >>> > > Others? And does anyone have relationships with them to >>> > reach out to them? >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Elizabeth Stark >>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > And the post is authored by our friend Derek Slater... >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Alex Kozak >>> > > <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > I don't think we have. I know a lot of people have >>> > strong >>> > > feelings about it. Thinking strategically without >>> > getting into >>> > > the settlement, I think we should as much as >>> > possible try to >>> > > be pragmatic about it and only object or support >>> > specific >>> > > ideas or terms rather than support or challenge it >>> > wholesale. >>> > > >>> > > In my personal opinion, it's also particularly >>> > important that >>> > > we don't frame the issue in terms of tired worn out >>> > > commitments and ideologies (specifically, for-profit >>> vs. >>> > > non-profit or commercial vs. non-commercial). What >>> > do you all >>> > > think though? >>> > > >>> > > - Alex >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Gavin Baker >>> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2009/09/voices-of-support-for-google-books.html >>> > > >>> > > "Yesterday, we took part in another call with >>> > even more >>> > > groups, >>> > > including the ... United States Students >>> > Association and >>> > > others, who >>> > > together voiced their support for the [Google >>> Books] >>> > > agreement." >>> > > >>> > > Have other student groups (e.g. SFC) weighed in >>> > on the >>> > > Google Books >>> > > settlement? >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Gavin Baker >>> > > http://www.gavinbaker.com/ >>> > > [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > > >>> > > We must learn to live together as brothers or >>> perish >>> > > together as fools. >>> > > Martin Luther King, Jr. >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>> > > >>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Alex Kozak >>> > > Education Program Assistant >>> > > ccLearn, Creative Commons >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>> > > >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>> > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Kevin Donovan >>> > > Georgetown '11: SFS >>> > > SA Phone: 082.311.8512 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Discuss mailing list >>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Discuss mailing list >>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Kevin Donovan >>> > Georgetown '11: SFS >>> > SA Phone: 082.311.8512 >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Discuss mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > -- > Alex Kozak > Education Program Assistant > ccLearn, Creative Commons > > -- Alex Kozak Education Program Assistant ccLearn, Creative Commons
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