On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:16 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:

> The measurement I'm using is the ability of thousands of other  
> applications that are ready for release by the time the new OS  
> comes out, or shortly thereafter (within a month to a few months,  
> not over a year). Yes, most are less involved, some just as  
> involved (e.g. Final Cut Pro, Quark XPress).

You're "just as involved" examples either only focus on one platform  
or only one product. Photoshop is far more reliant on the general  
type libraries, color management systems, pdf components and other  
shared technology to enable people to use Photoshop more elegantly  
with other Adobe creative products. In other words, Photoshop just  
isn't Photoshop on its own anymore.

> Are you saying that Adobe doesn't have dedicated resources for each  
> of their applications? That the same team who develops Illustrator,  
> Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Flash, are the same team that develops  
> Photoshop? That an application as important as Photoshop with 10s  
> of millions of users worldwide, some of whom make their entire  
> living off of Photoshop doesn't have its own dedicated development  
> team? If the application is that important, shouldn't they have  
> dedicated resources? Shouldn't it be a high priority to make it one  
> of the first releases?

Dedicate resources for 1/4 to 1/3 of their market to stop everything  
in their tracks to get a release out in faster time rather than keep  
all your resources moving along as planned to address their *entire*  
market at the same time? Todd, you're a smart guy. Stop saying silly  
things.

> I know first hand how corporate decisions go and how that can make  
> a shift in development priorities - I've been there dozens of times.

On software products like Photoshop? Which kinds of products like  
Photoshop have you worked on personally? One as complex, used by as  
many people, one tat shares technology with other core creative  
products in a suite, and one that ships on multiple platforms in 10+  
languages nearly simultaneously?

> If you make a decision to delay your product for whatever reason,  
> resources, strategy, etc. then that's your decision to make. The  
> primary consequence is that you don't sell as many as early -  
> income from that product is delayed.

More silliness. Photoshop has never been hurt by making a decision to  
stick to its own ship schedule versus drop everything they are doing  
because Jobs has new crack candy to sell for his customer base.

> The point is that it's not Apple's fault that Adobe took over a  
> year after the OS release to release a native version of Photoshop.  
> Should Apple have delayed the newest release of OS X until  
> Photoshop was ready? Of course not. Should Adobe have released a  
> buggy, not ready for prime time version of Photoshop a month after  
> the OS release to make a the market? Of course not. But sue Apple  
> because it took Adobe over a year to release a native version of  
> Photoshop, for whatever reason, or combination of reasons. That's  
> Adobe's responsibility, not Apple's.

Sue Apple? What on earth are you talking about? You were making snide  
comments about how long it took Adobe to release a native version, a  
side thread at best here, and I called you to task for it. Now you've  
got some axe to grind because you perceive that Adobe taking an full  
year to release to a native version of your pet platform somehow  
signals Adobe is lost in the woods. And you do so from a point of  
ignorance on the myriad of issues Adobe has to deal with while  
assuming that you do indeed know.

The larger point I've been trying to make is that the folks in the  
disability community are going after the wrong company in their  
lawsuit. Target is not the ones they should be suing. They should be  
going after MS and Apple to make them solve the problem for real on  
the computer itself. Nothing more.

-- 
Andrei Herasimchuk

Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

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