I am going to represent the people who live under rocks, in caves, etc. I had not heard about this information, and welcomed it, even if it didn't directly apply to me.
On the other hand, there have been plenty of other conversations that I haven't cared about, and simply deleted. Would it not have been simpler to just delete the message or ignore the thread and move on? Perhaps we should instead look at all the energy being invested to publicly correct the behavior of another LOPSA member. Is it really appropriate that the list should be used for that purpose, instead of private channels? It's threads like this that inspire people to NOT post something useful because of the fear of upsetting the list police. Mike On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Robert Novak <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd have to agree with Luke on this. > > There are lots of issues (actually, most of them) that can by some stretch > of the imagination be related to system administrators. (Paper bag laws? > All sysadmins use groceries, right?) If it takes four paragraphs to explain > why something is a great fit for the LOPSA general discussion list, that > should tell you something. > > And the carpet-bombing model (i.e. "NO REAL CONTEXT BUT HEY IT'S NEWS LOOK > AT ME" :(: )probably sits poorly with more than one list member. You might > find a list or forum that's more suited to this sort of thing... back in > the day, Computers and Academic Freedom newsletter was this sort of thing. > (disclaimer, I was the caf-news guest editor April 30, 1993. Wow. Feels > like a long time ago.) > > Sure, this may apply to some sysadmins who cross *borders* (not > boarders), but I'm going to guess more sysadmins fly than drive or bike > across borders. Why not bring up the new TSA pocketknife rule (no, really, > please don't)? Or if you want a pertinent, tuned, and useful discussion, > why not start a conversation about how traveling technicians cope with > having their nifty tools gaped at or confiscated when traveling? > > Or you can probably blog about random news that you feel affects you and > your profession. lopsa.org has a blog feature (https://lopsa.org/blog), > as do blogger.com and wordpress.com. That way if people find the topic > interesting, they can follow you there, or on your regular blog if you > have/make one. And people who expect a tighter linkage between being a > professional sysadmin and the content of this list won't be inconvenienced > or lash out. > > And yeah, four paragraphs. I know. Hope this helps anyway. > > Robert > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Luke Hankins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Perhaps including your insightful analysis in the initial email would >> help? This might prevent the list from just becoming an RSS feed of news >> items. >> >> -Luke >> >> On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Harvey Rothenberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Over To You: >> Shrdlu, >> >> I post news items for the purpose of *creating discussion* of *this news*. >> I felt this news was important since prior experience and legal decisions >> had allow the Boarder Guards to hold you up and insist upon your >> cooperation in the search of your electronic equipment and other areas of >> their concern. >> >> This effected any persons, regardless of position, when crossing our >> boarders. So if you travel to Canada or Mexico a lot or a little, and you >> gave cause for the guard to suspect you (kidding or not). You could be >> detained or exposing yourself to a possible breach in your trade secrets or >> any other information that you did not want exposed. >> >> Now you can refuse and they can not breach your rights, for now. This >> will probably take some time before you actually see a difference. This >> should be effective for US citizens, to the best of my knowledge. >> >> I thought that firms that send techs and admins across boarder would be >> interested in this news. Do you cross boarder ? I would guess not. Does >> this Group not have members that work for internationals and some times >> have to cross US boarders ? This is why I posted this piece of news. >> >> Sincerely, >> Harvey Rothenberg >> >> "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the >> lesson afterwards." -- Unknown >> >> --- On *Thu, 3/14/13, Shrdlu <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Shrdlu <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Ninth Circuit says border searches without >> suspicion are unconstitional >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 1:40 PM >> >> On 3/14/2013 10:15 AM, Shrdlu wrote: >> > Could we PLEASE make a special list for this, so that I don't have to >> > see it anymore? >> >> Sorry. I please inadequate caffeine, your honor. I'd still like to have >> the news article postings cease, if that was at all possible. >> >> -- The right to buy weapons is the right to be free. >> >> The Weapon Shops of Isher, by A. 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