Yes, Mike, it probably would have been. And that's why I ignored it the first time around when Shrdlu complained.
I don't think there are any list police on this thread... just some constructive criticism (if one can avoid hyperbole) and a chance to understand how others feel about random crop dusting of news. :) And the conservation of energy is probably a false equivalency, although I'm sure I could have blogged about my town's paper bag ordinance with nearly the same number of joules expended. Maybe I will. Check out my blog at rsts11.com if you wonder if I will. :) On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Michael Ryder <[email protected]> wrote: > I am going to represent the people who live under rocks, in caves, etc. > > I had not heard about this information, and welcomed it, even if it didn't > directly apply to me. > > On the other hand, there have been plenty of other conversations that I > haven't cared about, and simply deleted. > > Would it not have been simpler to just delete the message or ignore the > thread and move on? > > Perhaps we should instead look at all the energy being invested to > publicly correct the behavior of another LOPSA member. Is it really > appropriate that the list should be used for that purpose, instead of > private channels? It's threads like this that inspire people to NOT post > something useful because of the fear of upsetting the list police. > > Mike > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Robert Novak <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I'd have to agree with Luke on this. >> >> There are lots of issues (actually, most of them) that can by some >> stretch of the imagination be related to system administrators. (Paper bag >> laws? All sysadmins use groceries, right?) If it takes four paragraphs to >> explain why something is a great fit for the LOPSA general discussion list, >> that should tell you something. >> >> And the carpet-bombing model (i.e. "NO REAL CONTEXT BUT HEY IT'S NEWS >> LOOK AT ME" :(: )probably sits poorly with more than one list member. You >> might find a list or forum that's more suited to this sort of thing... back >> in the day, Computers and Academic Freedom newsletter was this sort of >> thing. (disclaimer, I was the caf-news guest editor April 30, 1993. Wow. >> Feels like a long time ago.) >> >> Sure, this may apply to some sysadmins who cross *borders* (not >> boarders), but I'm going to guess more sysadmins fly than drive or bike >> across borders. Why not bring up the new TSA pocketknife rule (no, really, >> please don't)? Or if you want a pertinent, tuned, and useful discussion, >> why not start a conversation about how traveling technicians cope with >> having their nifty tools gaped at or confiscated when traveling? >> >> Or you can probably blog about random news that you feel affects you and >> your profession. lopsa.org has a blog feature (https://lopsa.org/blog), >> as do blogger.com and wordpress.com. That way if people find the topic >> interesting, they can follow you there, or on your regular blog if you >> have/make one. And people who expect a tighter linkage between being a >> professional sysadmin and the content of this list won't be inconvenienced >> or lash out. >> >> And yeah, four paragraphs. I know. Hope this helps anyway. >> >> Robert >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Luke Hankins <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Perhaps including your insightful analysis in the initial email would >>> help? This might prevent the list from just becoming an RSS feed of news >>> items. >>> >>> -Luke >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Harvey Rothenberg <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Over To You: >>> Shrdlu, >>> >>> I post news items for the purpose of *creating discussion* of *this news >>> *. I felt this news was important since prior experience and legal >>> decisions had allow the Boarder Guards to hold you up and insist upon your >>> cooperation in the search of your electronic equipment and other areas of >>> their concern. >>> >>> This effected any persons, regardless of position, when crossing our >>> boarders. So if you travel to Canada or Mexico a lot or a little, and you >>> gave cause for the guard to suspect you (kidding or not). You could be >>> detained or exposing yourself to a possible breach in your trade secrets or >>> any other information that you did not want exposed. >>> >>> Now you can refuse and they can not breach your rights, for now. This >>> will probably take some time before you actually see a difference. This >>> should be effective for US citizens, to the best of my knowledge. >>> >>> I thought that firms that send techs and admins across boarder would be >>> interested in this news. Do you cross boarder ? I would guess not. Does >>> this Group not have members that work for internationals and some times >>> have to cross US boarders ? This is why I posted this piece of news. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Harvey Rothenberg >>> >>> "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the >>> lesson afterwards." -- Unknown >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 3/14/13, Shrdlu <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Shrdlu <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Ninth Circuit says border searches without >>> suspicion are unconstitional >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 1:40 PM >>> >>> On 3/14/2013 10:15 AM, Shrdlu wrote: >>> > Could we PLEASE make a special list for this, so that I don't have to >>> > see it anymore? >>> >>> Sorry. I please inadequate caffeine, your honor. I'd still like to have >>> the news article postings cease, if that was at all possible. >>> >>> -- The right to buy weapons is the right to be free. >>> >>> The Weapon Shops of Isher, by A. 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