If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during assembly, I could do that.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to research > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were considering > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we could get > it to server as a PCB mill also. > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is that I > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building and > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather pay a > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, say that > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. > > Thanks, > > B > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it seems Ron >> has beat me to it. >> >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a fully >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a kit >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the Cartesian >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do some >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. If we >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it and we >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and therefore know >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing to >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to assembling a >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am not the >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our own I can >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the parts. >> >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is the best >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame than other >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also wonder if >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB mill. >> >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we are >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer discontinues >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed source. >> >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the z axis >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while printing. This >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the printrbots >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can get. No >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware model. >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. >>> >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that review >>> looks kinda bad. >>> >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the example >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. >>> >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be the >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ >>> >>> Review: >>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ >>> >>> Pros >>> >>> - Open source >>> - ABS & PLA >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 >>> - ultra fast >>> - high resolution >>> - Mac/Win/Lin >>> >>> Cons >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need to be >>> trimmed) >>> - price >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With people >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have $1200. >>>> That's $150 from our goal! >>>> >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the printer we're >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki page is >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than some of >>>> the supported alternatives. >>>> >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. >>>> >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a printer >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not something >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look after the >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! >>>> >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! If one >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who pledged or >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> ----- >>>> >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer >>>> >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers >>>> >>>> Review >>>> >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ >>>> >>>> Pros >>>> >>>> >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing >>>> - Easy to setup >>>> - Reliable >>>> - Most accurate in class >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" >>>> - ABS & PLA >>>> - Better print quality >>>> >>>> Cons >>>> >>>> >>>> - Closed Source >>>> - Mac & Windows only >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" >>>> >>>> >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ >>>> >>>> Review >>>> >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ >>>> >>>> Pros >>>> >>>> >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) >>>> - Open source >>>> - ABS & PLA >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded >>>> >>>> Cons >>>> >>>> >>>> - Additional adjustments >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 >>>> - lower quality print than afinia >>>> >>>> >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 >>>> >>>> Review: >>>> >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Pros >>>> >>>> - Open source >>>> - ABS & PLA & PVA >>>> - Large print bend 9 x 10 x 7 >>>> - very fast >>>> - based on RepRap >>>> >>>> Cons >>>> >>>> - Relativly noise >>>> - lower quality print than afinia >>>> - considerable amount of tweaking a dialing-in >>>> >>>> >>>> Other printers and reviews: >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/volume/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ >>>> >>>> - ----- End forwarded message ----- >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlEG2nwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TTGgCgkfgwJ8bu8vA6eqABBGtvFdZe >>>> ausAoKbtpMIBjsLhc5a77nihvsIvlfMt >>>> =Z1UZ >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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