-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Question for Brian or Stefan or Ben or whoever: what's usually involved with assembly? Is it a couple hours or a couple weeks type thing (for somebody who's semi-competant)?
That is, is it like building a desk from Ikea, or going to the forest to get the lumber for my new bookshelf? Ron On 2013-01-29 11:22, chris kluka wrote: > If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during assembly, I > could do that. > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to research > > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are > > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were considering > > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. > > > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we could get > > it to server as a PCB mill also. > > > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is that I > > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building and > > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather pay a > > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, say that > > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. > > > > Thanks, > > > > B > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it seems Ron > >> has beat me to it. > >> > >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a fully > >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a kit > >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the Cartesian > >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do some > >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. If we > >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it and we > >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and therefore know > >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing to > >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to assembling a > >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am not the > >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our own I can > >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the parts. > >> > >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is the best > >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame than other > >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also wonder if > >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB mill. > >> > >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we are > >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the > >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer discontinues > >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed source. > >> > >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the z axis > >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while printing. This > >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the printrbots > >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can get. No > >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware model. > >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. > >>> > >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that review > >>> looks kinda bad. > >>> > >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the example > >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. > >>> > >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be the > >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ > >>> > >>> Review: > >>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ > >>> > >>> Pros > >>> > >>> - Open source > >>> - ABS & PLA > >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 > >>> - ultra fast > >>> - high resolution > >>> - Mac/Win/Lin > >>> > >>> Cons > >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need to be > >>> trimmed) > >>> - price > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> Hey guys, > >>>> > >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With people > >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have $1200. > >>>> That's $150 from our goal! > >>>> > >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the printer we're > >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki page is > >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than some of > >>>> the supported alternatives. > >>>> > >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. > >>>> > >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a printer > >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not something > >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look after the > >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! > >>>> > >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! If one > >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good > >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who pledged or > >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. > >>>> > >>>> Ron > >>>> > >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> ----- > >>>> > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 > >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer > >>>> > >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers > >>>> > >>>> Review > >>>> > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ > >>>> > >>>> Pros > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) > >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing > >>>> - Easy to setup > >>>> - Reliable > >>>> - Most accurate in class > >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" > >>>> - ABS & PLA > >>>> - Better print quality > >>>> > >>>> Cons > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Closed Source > >>>> - Mac & Windows only > >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) > >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ > >>>> > >>>> Review > >>>> > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ > >>>> > >>>> Pros > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) > >>>> - Open source > >>>> - ABS & PLA > >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded > >>>> > >>>> Cons > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Additional adjustments > >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 > >>>> > >>>> Review: > >>>> > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Pros > >>>> > >>>> - Open source > >>>> - ABS & PLA & PVA > >>>> - Large print bend 9 x 10 x 7 > >>>> - very fast > >>>> - based on RepRap > >>>> > >>>> Cons > >>>> > >>>> - Relativly noise > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > >>>> - considerable amount of tweaking a dialing-in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Other printers and reviews: > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/volume/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ > >>>> > >>>> - ----- End forwarded message ----- > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > >>>> > >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlEG2nwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TTGgCgkfgwJ8bu8vA6eqABBGtvFdZe > >>>> ausAoKbtpMIBjsLhc5a77nihvsIvlfMt > >>>> =Z1UZ > >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEIDDkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/SSJQCeIWzK5NsXQJILj8m9Q39Haa88 NjYAnApVRpbuTytwrEL0LO1RqRorm7sI =pjc5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
