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On 29 January 2013 13:14, Justin Lacko <[email protected]> wrote: > See: http://www.takaji.ca/content/works/portfolios/ed4_tech_1.pdf > > I actually went to the forest to get my own lumber, and let me tell you it > wasn't that hard!! > > > On 29 January 2013 11:51, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Question for Brian or Stefan or Ben or whoever: what's usually involved >> with assembly? Is it a couple hours or a couple weeks type thing (for >> somebody who's semi-competant)? >> >> That is, is it like building a desk from Ikea, or going to the forest to >> get the lumber for my new bookshelf? >> >> Ron >> >> On 2013-01-29 11:22, chris kluka wrote: >> > If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during >> assembly, I >> > could do that. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to >> research >> > > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are >> > > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were >> considering >> > > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. >> > > >> > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we could >> get >> > > it to server as a PCB mill also. >> > > >> > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is >> that I >> > > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building and >> > > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather pay a >> > > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, say >> that >> > > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > B >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it seems >> Ron >> > >> has beat me to it. >> > >> >> > >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a fully >> > >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a kit >> > >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the >> Cartesian >> > >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do >> some >> > >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. If >> we >> > >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it >> and we >> > >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and therefore >> know >> > >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing to >> > >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to >> assembling a >> > >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am >> not the >> > >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our own >> I can >> > >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the parts. >> > >> >> > >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is the >> best >> > >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame than >> other >> > >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also >> wonder if >> > >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB mill. >> > >> >> > >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we are >> > >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the >> > >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer >> discontinues >> > >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed source. >> > >> >> > >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the z >> axis >> > >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while printing. >> This >> > >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the >> printrbots >> > >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can >> get. No >> > >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware >> model. >> > >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. >> > >>> >> > >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that >> review >> > >>> looks kinda bad. >> > >>> >> > >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the >> example >> > >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. >> > >>> >> > >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be the >> > >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ >> > >>> >> > >>> Review: >> > >>> >> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ >> > >>> >> > >>> Pros >> > >>> >> > >>> - Open source >> > >>> - ABS & PLA >> > >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 >> > >>> - ultra fast >> > >>> - high resolution >> > >>> - Mac/Win/Lin >> > >>> >> > >>> Cons >> > >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need to >> be >> > >>> trimmed) >> > >>> - price >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > >>>> Hash: SHA1 >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Hey guys, >> > >>>> >> > >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With >> people >> > >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have >> $1200. >> > >>>> That's $150 from our goal! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the printer >> we're >> > >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki page >> is >> > >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than >> some of >> > >>>> the supported alternatives. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a >> printer >> > >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not >> something >> > >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look >> after the >> > >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! If >> one >> > >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good >> > >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who pledged or >> > >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Ron >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> ----- >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 >> > >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> >> > >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> >> > >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer >> > >>>> >> > >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Review >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Pros >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) >> > >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing >> > >>>> - Easy to setup >> > >>>> - Reliable >> > >>>> - Most accurate in class >> > >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" >> > >>>> - ABS & PLA >> > >>>> - Better print quality >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Cons >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Closed Source >> > >>>> - Mac & Windows only >> > >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) >> > >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Review >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Pros >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) >> > >>>> - Open source >> > >>>> - ABS & PLA >> > >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Cons >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Additional adjustments >> > >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 >> > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Review: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Pros >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Open source >> > >>>> - ABS & PLA & PVA >> > >>>> - Large print bend 9 x 10 x 7 >> > >>>> - very fast >> > >>>> - based on RepRap >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Cons >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - Relativly noise >> > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia >> > >>>> - considerable amount of tweaking a dialing-in >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Other printers and reviews: >> > >>>> >> http://blog.makezine.com/volume/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ >> > >>>> >> > >>>> - ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> > >>>> >> > >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlEG2nwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TTGgCgkfgwJ8bu8vA6eqABBGtvFdZe >> > >>>> ausAoKbtpMIBjsLhc5a77nihvsIvlfMt >> > >>>> =Z1UZ >> > >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > >>>> Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > >>> Archive: >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlEIDDkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/SSJQCeIWzK5NsXQJILj8m9Q39Haa88 >> NjYAnApVRpbuTytwrEL0LO1RqRorm7sI >> =pjc5 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > -- *Nathan T. 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