That's why you have one of them too, right Ron? (-:|3
On 29 January 2013 13:23, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Well then! > > At my company's office in Seattle, all the desks are made of actual > wood that our CEO cut down and prepared and stuff. It's pretty cool! > > Ron > > On 2013-01-29 13:14, Justin Lacko wrote: > > See: http://www.takaji.ca/content/works/portfolios/ed4_tech_1.pdf > > > > I actually went to the forest to get my own lumber, and let me tell you > it > > wasn't that hard!! > > > > > > On 29 January 2013 11:51, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Question for Brian or Stefan or Ben or whoever: what's usually involved > > > with assembly? Is it a couple hours or a couple weeks type thing (for > > > somebody who's semi-competant)? > > > > > > That is, is it like building a desk from Ikea, or going to the forest > to > > > get the lumber for my new bookshelf? > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > On 2013-01-29 11:22, chris kluka wrote: > > > > If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during > > > assembly, I > > > > could do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to > > > research > > > > > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are > > > > > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were > > > considering > > > > > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. > > > > > > > > > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we > could > > > get > > > > > it to server as a PCB mill also. > > > > > > > > > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is > that > > > I > > > > > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building > and > > > > > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather > pay a > > > > > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, > say > > > that > > > > > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it > seems Ron > > > > >> has beat me to it. > > > > >> > > > > >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a > fully > > > > >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a > kit > > > > >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the > > > Cartesian > > > > >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do > some > > > > >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. > If > > > we > > > > >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it > > > and we > > > > >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and > therefore > > > know > > > > >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing > to > > > > >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to > > > assembling a > > > > >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am > > > not the > > > > >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our > own I > > > can > > > > >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the > parts. > > > > >> > > > > >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is > the > > > best > > > > >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame > than > > > other > > > > >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also > > > wonder if > > > > >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB > mill. > > > > >> > > > > >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we > are > > > > >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the > > > > >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer > > > discontinues > > > > >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed > source. > > > > >> > > > > >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the > z > > > axis > > > > >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while > printing. > > > This > > > > >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the > > > printrbots > > > > >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can > > > get. No > > > > >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware > > > model. > > > > >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that > review > > > > >>> looks kinda bad. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the > > > example > > > > >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be > the > > > > >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Review: > > > > >>> > > > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Pros > > > > >>> > > > > >>> - Open source > > > > >>> - ABS & PLA > > > > >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 > > > > >>> - ultra fast > > > > >>> - high resolution > > > > >>> - Mac/Win/Lin > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cons > > > > >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need > to be > > > > >>> trimmed) > > > > >>> - price > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Hey guys, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With > > > people > > > > >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have > > > $1200. > > > > >>>> That's $150 from our goal! > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the > printer > > > we're > > > > >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki > page is > > > > >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than > > > some of > > > > >>>> the supported alternatives. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a > > > printer > > > > >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not > > > something > > > > >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look > > > after the > > > > >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! > If > > > one > > > > >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good > > > > >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who > pledged or > > > > >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Ron > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > ----- > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 > > > > >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > > > > >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > > > > >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Review > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Pros > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) > > > > >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing > > > > >>>> - Easy to setup > > > > >>>> - Reliable > > > > >>>> - Most accurate in class > > > > >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" > > > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > > > >>>> - Better print quality > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Cons > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - Closed Source > > > > >>>> - Mac & Windows only > > > > >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) > > > > >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Review > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Pros > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) > > > > >>>> - Open source > > > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > > > >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Cons > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - Additional adjustments > > > > >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 > > > > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Review: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Pros > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> - 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