-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well then!
At my company's office in Seattle, all the desks are made of actual wood that our CEO cut down and prepared and stuff. It's pretty cool! Ron On 2013-01-29 13:14, Justin Lacko wrote: > See: http://www.takaji.ca/content/works/portfolios/ed4_tech_1.pdf > > I actually went to the forest to get my own lumber, and let me tell you it > wasn't that hard!! > > > On 29 January 2013 11:51, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Question for Brian or Stefan or Ben or whoever: what's usually involved > > with assembly? Is it a couple hours or a couple weeks type thing (for > > somebody who's semi-competant)? > > > > That is, is it like building a desk from Ikea, or going to the forest to > > get the lumber for my new bookshelf? > > > > Ron > > > > On 2013-01-29 11:22, chris kluka wrote: > > > If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during > > assembly, I > > > could do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to > > research > > > > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are > > > > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were > > considering > > > > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. > > > > > > > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we could > > get > > > > it to server as a PCB mill also. > > > > > > > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is that > > I > > > > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building and > > > > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather pay a > > > > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, say > > that > > > > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it seems Ron > > > >> has beat me to it. > > > >> > > > >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a fully > > > >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a kit > > > >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the > > Cartesian > > > >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do some > > > >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. If > > we > > > >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it > > and we > > > >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and therefore > > know > > > >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing to > > > >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to > > assembling a > > > >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am > > not the > > > >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our own I > > can > > > >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the parts. > > > >> > > > >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is the > > best > > > >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame than > > other > > > >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also > > wonder if > > > >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB mill. > > > >> > > > >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we are > > > >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the > > > >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer > > discontinues > > > >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed source. > > > >> > > > >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the z > > axis > > > >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while printing. > > This > > > >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the > > printrbots > > > >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can > > get. No > > > >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware > > model. > > > >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. > > > >>> > > > >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that review > > > >>> looks kinda bad. > > > >>> > > > >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the > > example > > > >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. > > > >>> > > > >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be the > > > >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Review: > > > >>> > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Pros > > > >>> > > > >>> - Open source > > > >>> - ABS & PLA > > > >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 > > > >>> - ultra fast > > > >>> - high resolution > > > >>> - Mac/Win/Lin > > > >>> > > > >>> Cons > > > >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need to be > > > >>> trimmed) > > > >>> - price > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hey guys, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With > > people > > > >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have > > $1200. > > > >>>> That's $150 from our goal! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the printer > > we're > > > >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki page is > > > >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than > > some of > > > >>>> the supported alternatives. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a > > printer > > > >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not > > something > > > >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look > > after the > > > >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! If > > one > > > >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good > > > >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who pledged or > > > >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ron > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> ----- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 > > > >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > > > >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > > > >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Review > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Pros > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) > > > >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing > > > >>>> - Easy to setup > > > >>>> - Reliable > > > >>>> - Most accurate in class > > > >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" > > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > > >>>> - Better print quality > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Cons > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Closed Source > > > >>>> - Mac & Windows only > > > >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) > > > >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Review > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Pros > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) > > > >>>> - Open source > > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > > >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Cons > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Additional adjustments > > > >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 > > > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Review: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Pros > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Open source > > > >>>> - ABS & PLA & PVA > > > >>>> - Large print bend 9 x 10 x 7 > > > >>>> - very fast > > > >>>> - based on RepRap > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Cons > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Relativly noise > > > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > > > >>>> - considerable amount of tweaking a dialing-in > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Other printers and reviews: > > > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/volume/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlEG2nwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TTGgCgkfgwJ8bu8vA6eqABBGtvFdZe > > > >>>> ausAoKbtpMIBjsLhc5a77nihvsIvlfMt > > > >>>> =Z1UZ > > > >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > >>>> Archive: > > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlEIDDkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/SSJQCeIWzK5NsXQJILj8m9Q39Haa88 > > NjYAnApVRpbuTytwrEL0LO1RqRorm7sI > > =pjc5 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEIIaoACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TPKQCgsXMBNspmd2bP57WugsXLvWI4 F5QAn2kWkN/cyv7Xkg8Y+7qAB77E18Xj =ewOo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
