See: http://www.takaji.ca/content/works/portfolios/ed4_tech_1.pdf
I actually went to the forest to get my own lumber, and let me tell you it wasn't that hard!! On 29 January 2013 11:51, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Question for Brian or Stefan or Ben or whoever: what's usually involved > with assembly? Is it a couple hours or a couple weeks type thing (for > somebody who's semi-competant)? > > That is, is it like building a desk from Ikea, or going to the forest to > get the lumber for my new bookshelf? > > Ron > > On 2013-01-29 11:22, chris kluka wrote: > > If someone needs a pair of hands to help them hold wires during > assembly, I > > could do that. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the great input guys. I didn't have too much time to > research > > > all of the different options, and it sounds like you guys are > > > more knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to make sure we were > considering > > > other options instead of buying the first thing that we saw. > > > > > > The Mendal Max looks pretty cool and it would be awesome if we could > get > > > it to server as a PCB mill also. > > > > > > The only concern I have with buying a kit instead of assembled is that > I > > > don't really want to see us spending weeks or even months building and > > > tweaking before we can get our members using it. I would rather pay a > > > little extra to make that the seller's problem. You did however, say > that > > > you had experiencing building printers so this concern may be moot. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> I was going to see if I could revive this discussion, but it seems Ron > > >> has beat me to it. > > >> > > >> First off, I think we need to decide if we are looking to buy a fully > > >> assembled ready-to-print printer or if we could get away with a kit > > >> (possibly more than one kit, one for electronics, one for the > Cartesian > > >> bot, one for the hot end etc.). I believe if we are willing to do some > > >> assembly then the money we've already raised is more than enough. If > we > > >> want something that is ready to print we will pay a premium for it > and we > > >> will likely have to raise more. I have built a printer and therefore > know > > >> all the parts required and how to fit them together. I am willing to > > >> contribute my time and knowledge (for what that is worth) to > assembling a > > >> printer from a kit but am unlikely to be the driving force as I am > not the > > >> most motivated individual. If there is interest in building our own I > can > > >> put together a preliminary rough estimate of the cost of the parts. > > >> > > >> As for the choices of printers, in my opinion the mendal max is the > best > > >> choice. It was specifically designed to have a more rigid frame than > other > > >> diy printers, which translates into better print quality. I also > wonder if > > >> the Mendel max might not be rigid enough to also serve as a PCB mill. > > >> > > >> I don't like the idea of a closed source printer because then we are > > >> limited to what the manufacturer thinks we should do with the > > >> printer/software. Also, what happens when the manufacturer > discontinues > > >> this product. I'm sure you all know the problems with closed source. > > >> > > >> As for the printrbot, I have read some forum posts that state the z > axis > > >> isn't very stable and tends to move around a little while printing. > This > > >> small amount of movement in the z axis likely accounts for the > printrbots > > >> lower quality prints. Also, you want as much print area as you can > get. No > > >> matter how much area you have it is never enough. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected] > >wrote: > > >> > > >>> The Afinia looks nice, but I would prefer seeing an open hardware > model. > > >>> Also, lack of Linux support for me is a killer. > > >>> > > >>> The Printrbot is a nice price, but the quality example in that review > > >>> looks kinda bad. > > >>> > > >>> MendelMaxPro looks like a good candidate. The resolution of the > example > > >>> print isn't great, but the quality seems good. > > >>> > > >>> Another candidate, though a bit more expensive ($1600), might be the > > >>> Ultimaker http://ultimaker.com/ > > >>> > > >>> Review: > > >>> > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ultimaker/ > > >>> > > >>> Pros > > >>> > > >>> - Open source > > >>> - ABS & PLA > > >>> - large print bed 8.3 x 8.3 x 8.3 > > >>> - ultra fast > > >>> - high resolution > > >>> - Mac/Win/Lin > > >>> > > >>> Cons > > >>> - quality reduced at top speed (extra hanging strands that need to be > > >>> trimmed) > > >>> - price > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > > >>>> > > >>>> Hey guys, > > >>>> > > >>>> First off, we've raised exactly $1000 for the 3d printer. With > people > > >>>> who said "I'm willing to put in $x.xx more if needed", we have > $1200. > > >>>> That's $150 from our goal! > > >>>> > > >>>> That being said, Brian has some serious concerns about the printer > we're > > >>>> looking at. Basically, it's not being made anymore, its wiki page is > > >>>> gone, you can't buy parts directly, and it's more expensive than > some of > > >>>> the supported alternatives. > > >>>> > > >>>> Below, he outlines a few options that we may want to look at. > > >>>> > > >>>> I don't really have a clue in this, and I honestly only want a > printer > > >>>> because I think others will get great use out of it (it's not > something > > >>>> I'm particularly into). I'm happy to help campaign and to look > after the > > >>>> pledges, but beyond that, you're on your own! > > >>>> > > >>>> So, check out the options below and let's have some discussion! If > one > > >>>> makes a lot more sense, we'll get it, if there are multiple good > > >>>> options, we can vote or something amongst the people who pledged or > > >>>> everybody. We can figure out the details later. > > >>>> > > >>>> Ron > > >>>> > > >>>> - ----- Forwarded message from Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> ----- > > >>>> > > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0600 > > >>>> From: Brian Kulyk <[email protected]> > > >>>> To: Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > > >>>> Subject: Additional options for 3D printer > > >>>> > > >>>> *Afinia H-Series* $1500 http://www.afinia.com/3d-printers > > >>>> > > >>>> Review > > >>>> > > >>>> > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/afinia-h-series/ > > >>>> > > >>>> Pros > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> - Best in class ( $1000 - 2000 ) > > >>>> - Easy to print - automatic slicing > > >>>> - Easy to setup > > >>>> - Reliable > > >>>> - Most accurate in class > > >>>> - Won Make's "Best Overall Experience" > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > >>>> - Better print quality > > >>>> > > >>>> Cons > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> - Closed Source > > >>>> - Mac & Windows only > > >>>> - Small print bed - 5.5" x 5.5" x 5.3" > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> *Printrbot LC* $799 Assembled ($549 kit) > > >>>> http://printrbot.com/shop/printrbot-lc/ > > >>>> > > >>>> Review > > >>>> > > >>>> > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/printrbot-lc/ > > >>>> > > >>>> Pros > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> - Best in class (< $1000) > > >>>> - Open source > > >>>> - ABS & PLA > > >>>> - Very flexible - can be expanded > > >>>> > > >>>> Cons > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> - Additional adjustments > > >>>> - Small print bed 6 x 6 x 6 > > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> *MendelMaxPro *$1295 > > >>>> > > >>>> Review: > > >>>> > > >>>> > http://blog.makezine.com/review/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/mendelmaxpro/ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Pros > > >>>> > > >>>> - Open source > > >>>> - ABS & PLA & PVA > > >>>> - Large print bend 9 x 10 x 7 > > >>>> - very fast > > >>>> - based on RepRap > > >>>> > > >>>> Cons > > >>>> > > >>>> - Relativly noise > > >>>> - lower quality print than afinia > > >>>> - considerable amount of tweaking a dialing-in > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Other printers and reviews: > > >>>> http://blog.makezine.com/volume/make-ultimate-guide-to-3d-printing/ > > >>>> > > >>>> - ----- End forwarded message ----- > > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > >>>> > > >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAlEG2nwACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TTGgCgkfgwJ8bu8vA6eqABBGtvFdZe > > >>>> ausAoKbtpMIBjsLhc5a77nihvsIvlfMt > > >>>> =Z1UZ > > >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlEIDDkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/SSJQCeIWzK5NsXQJILj8m9Q39Haa88 > NjYAnApVRpbuTytwrEL0LO1RqRorm7sI > =pjc5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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