Ward posted the pics of his Thing-O-Matic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wardelder/sets/72157632676676019/
I think our best bet right now is to aim for the Mendel Max 2.0 at $1500. Ideally, we will try to hit $1600+ to cover duty and a couple starter rolls from Ward. If we want all his plastic, that would be about $400, but a single roll would be between $25-60 (you can see his selection and asking prices again here: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/3d_printer#Option_2:_Used_.28local_and_working.29_Thing-O-Matic ). On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected]>wrote: > That would save us $65 in shipping, and it looks like those folks charge > $5 for their services, which means we could afford another roll of filament > :) > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm down to do a border pickup if it means some free shipping. Just send >> it to one of these places http://www.pembinaparcel.com/ >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The price jumps a bit when selecting USA too. If this is all that is in >>> the cart, shipping is listed as free, so I think it is shipping plus >>> whatever special handling charges there are. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, I noticed the priced jump upon selecting Canada too. Is this just >>>> additional handling charges related to filling out customs paper work? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Benjamin Bergman >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Woops, it looks like I might have had changed colours in my cart. That >>>>> should have been $1600. >>>>> >>>>> $1600 comes from $55 shipping, $55 for heated bed upgrade + glass (kit >>>>> is unclear if this is included) + $1490 for the printer kit (price jumps >>>>> $95 from the $1395 when you say it is for Canada/Mexico). >>>>> >>>>> I'll add your additional questions to my enquiry. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was going to suggest we contact them to ensure the listed kit is in >>>>>> fact a complete printer. In addition to the Cartesian robot hardware we >>>>>> should verify that it includes electronics, motors, extruder, hot end, >>>>>> and >>>>>> heated bed. Also could you inquire about combined shipping for multiple >>>>>> order as I am seriously considering purchasing the hardware only kit for >>>>>> my >>>>>> self would be interested in splitting shipping with Skullspace. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait, where did $1650 come from. I see the listed price at $1395. >>>>>> Even with taxes and shipping I can't get that number. Keep in mind that >>>>>> choosing colored aluminum pieces costs more. >>>>>> >>>>>> >We should probably also get at least one spool of plastic so we can >>>>>> jump start the pay-per-print thing. If they fit, >maybe we can get some >>>>>> of >>>>>> Ward's at $50 >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on the advertised print speeds I would imagine this printer >>>>>> uses 1.75 mm filament although that could always be changed with a new >>>>>> extruder/hot end kit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what the print speed of the Thing-o-matic is? I >>>>>> think the build envelope is only 120mmx120mmx120mm. That is quite small, >>>>>> if >>>>>> correct. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm waiting on a response from their support team to confirm that >>>>>>> all required parts are included, but it looks like we can have it for >>>>>>> $1650 >>>>>>> + whatever duty there is at the border. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should probably also get at least one spool of plastic so we can >>>>>>> jump start the pay-per-print thing. If they fit, maybe we can get some >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Ward's at $50, otherwise we need to get one shipped for maybe $75-100. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Benjamin Bergman <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Editing the wiki now. Will look up shipping shortly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds good to me! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you could figure out the final cost, that'd be great. We're at >>>>>>>>> $1250 >>>>>>>>> right now, I can post to announce@ again when we have the final >>>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, would you mind posting the two choices to the wiki page? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-01-31 09:14, Benjamin Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Mendel Max 2.0 sounds great! They have a free parts upgrade for >>>>>>>>> the beta, >>>>>>>>> > so any parts that change in the final release could be ours for >>>>>>>>> just the >>>>>>>>> > price of shipping. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > So, now we just need to figure out the shipping cost and then we >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> > propose that as the #1 choice. I think Ward's Thing-o-Matic is >>>>>>>>> still a >>>>>>>>> > decent second choice in case we can't raise enough as it is >>>>>>>>> shipping free, >>>>>>>>> > works, and has free setup + instruction from him. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Stefan H.A <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > I've been looking at the availability of printers and I'd like >>>>>>>>> to add >>>>>>>>> > > another for consideration. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > First off, the Mendel Max Pro doesn't seem to be available >>>>>>>>> anymore. The >>>>>>>>> > > website linked to in the Make review now sells what seems to >>>>>>>>> be a more >>>>>>>>> > > expensive version of the printer I'm about to talk about. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://trinitylabs.com/products/aluminatus-trinityone-3d-printer >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > The Mendel Max 2.0 is my primary recommendation, if we can get >>>>>>>>> one. Here's >>>>>>>>> > > why. >>>>>>>>> > > http://www.mendelmax.com/ >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Pros: >>>>>>>>> > > - Print Area Dimensions: 245 mm x 315 mm x 225 mm >>>>>>>>> (9.6"x12.4"x8.9") >>>>>>>>> > > - Usable Maximum Print Speed: 250mm/sec or more depending on >>>>>>>>> the part, >>>>>>>>> > > print material, and extruder >>>>>>>>> > > - Frame: All aluminum >>>>>>>>> > > http://www.mendelmax.com/?wiki=mendelmax-versions >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Cons: >>>>>>>>> > > - Currently in beta >>>>>>>>> > > - Won't ship until February 25 >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Availability: >>>>>>>>> > > -$1395.00 as a kit >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://store.makerstoolworks.com/printer-kits/mendelmax-2-0-beta-kit/ >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > It prints 100mm/sec faster and has a larger print envelope >>>>>>>>> than both the >>>>>>>>> > > Ultimaker and the Mendel Max 1.5. It is also closely related >>>>>>>>> to the open >>>>>>>>> > > source Reprap project and community. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Ultimaker. >>>>>>>>> > > http://ultimaker.com/ >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Specs: >>>>>>>>> > > - Print Area Dimensions: 211mm x 211mm x 211mm (8.3″×8.3″×8.3″) >>>>>>>>> > > - Print Speed: 150mm/sec >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Availability: >>>>>>>>> > > - $2310.00 fully assembled, however I suspect it might be >>>>>>>>> prohibitively >>>>>>>>> > > expensive to ship from Europe. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/assembled-ultimakers/assembled-um.html >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > - $1625.00 as a kit >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> https://shop.ultimaker.com/en/ultimaker-kits/ultimaker-kit-new.html >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Mendel Max 1.5. >>>>>>>>> > > http://reprap.org/wiki/MendelMax >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Specs: >>>>>>>>> > > - Print Area Dimensions: ~215-230 mm x ~215-250 mm x ~140-175 >>>>>>>>> mm >>>>>>>>> > > (9"x10"x7") >>>>>>>>> > > - Print Speed: 150mm/sec >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Availability: >>>>>>>>> > > - $1906.00 fully assembled, shipping $498.82 >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Fully-Assembled-and-Tuned-IC3D-RepRap-3D-Printer-MendelMax-/111002420941?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d84286cd >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > - $900.00 - $1200.00 as a kit, shipping $120.00 - $160.00 >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mendelmax-Ultimate-3d-printer-kit-Ramps-LCD-Printed-Parts-Complete-Color-Choice-/281055575886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417037bf4e >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/RepRap-MendelMax-1-5-Unassembled-Complete-Kit-/230910586303?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c357edbf >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Making a secondary recommendation between these two printers >>>>>>>>> is difficult >>>>>>>>> > > because I don't know very much about the Ultimaker style of >>>>>>>>> printer. I was >>>>>>>>> > > prepared to recommend the Ultimaker over the Mendel Max 1.5 >>>>>>>>> until I >>>>>>>>> > > converted the build dimensions into the same units and >>>>>>>>> realized the Mendel >>>>>>>>> > > Max 1.5 has about the same or more print area (depending on >>>>>>>>> where you look >>>>>>>>> > > it up), although less height. As far as print resolution >>>>>>>>> (z-axis >>>>>>>>> > > resolution) is concerned, because these printers use threaded >>>>>>>>> rod to drive >>>>>>>>> > > the z-axis they are all mechanically capable of printing down >>>>>>>>> to very low >>>>>>>>> > > layer heights like .04mm. The ability to do so will depend on >>>>>>>>> what kind of >>>>>>>>> > > extruder nozzle is fitted to the printer and how you configure >>>>>>>>> the slicing >>>>>>>>> > > software. Given all of this I think my secondary >>>>>>>>> recommendation is still >>>>>>>>> > > the Mendal Max 1.5. 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