Ya, I think my vote is for the microswitch as well, but I'll toss a couple hall effect sensors in with my order so we can fix up the other board in case we want to use it again. Do we have extra microswitches, or should I grab a few of those too?
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Stefan H.A <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, I think a micro switch (as picture in the link in the IRC > conversation) will work fine. We could use an opto-interupter ( > http://www.jameco.com/1/1/25649-h21a1-opto-electronic-interrupter-switch-transistor-sensors.html > ) if we want to get fancy but I think a microswitch will work just as well. > > On 2013-10-01 1:48 PM, "Brian Kulyk" <br...@kulyk.ca> wrote: >> >> I was looking on Digikey for the sensor we need and noticed many different >> versions so I decided to contact Maker's Tool Works to find out the >> specifics of the sensor they used. They (as well as the folks on IRC) >> suggest using a mechanical switch. Eventually I found that this is the >> part we need if we want to continue using the hall effect sensor. >> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/TLE4905L%20E6433/TLE4905LE6433INCT-ND/1650234 >> >> If we decide to order these we should get a few backups. Ben, it's not >> too late to combine with your order that would be great. I can give you >> some cash for the order tonight at the meeting. >> >> ME: >> >>> >>> I have broken the sensor off of the "Cheep O" board. I would order >>> another one from you, but the store appears to be about can I please get >>> some additional information about the sensor so I can order a replacement >>> elsewhere. >> >> >> Maker's Tool Works >> >>> Unfortunately we are not expecting to have them back in stock for quiet a >>> while. You're kit should have another mechanical endstop. All current kits >>> do not have a cheap-o and we are finding the mechanical just as effective. >>> The Cheap-o hall endsop is designed by BLDDK, I have seen one clone online >>> and some diy versions on thingiverse. >> >> >> I found that I can order a replacement board from here: >> http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/hall-endstop-p-654.html Though it does look >> a little different they are both based off the BLDDK's design. >> >> Chat log from IRC: >> >>>> [11:48] <grumpy> I broke the sensor off of my cheap-o hall z endstop. >>>> Can anybody tell me where I can order a replacement (the official store is >>>> sold out). >>>> >>>> [11:48] <skywurz> grumpy i too did that >>>> >>>> [11:48] <skywurz> grumpy i dont like that sensor >>>> >>>> [11:49] <grumpy> skywurz what are you using now? >>>> >>>> [11:49] <skywurz> grumpy may i recommend >>>> http://www.wuala.com/skywurz/Public/IMG_20130519_122911.jpg/ >>>> >>>> [11:51] <grumpy> skywurz I was thinking of going with something like >>>> that, but others were worried that it might not be as accurate as the >>>> hall-effect thing, I take you are not having any troubles with your >>>> replacement? >>>> >>>> [11:51] <skywurz> grumpy it really does not make that much of a >>>> difference >>>> >>>> [11:52] <skywurz> think about how far off you could have thrown that >>>> cheap-o off by bumping the sensor >>>> >>>> [11:54] <grumpy> skywurz Sounds good I will give it shot. I already >>>> printed off a bracket to use a switch like that anyway. >>>> >>>> [11:54] <skywurz> never answered my imagineer question >>>> >>>> [11:54] <skywurz> grumpy sweet >>>> >>>> [11:54] <skywurz> grumpy if you have no interest in saving the old cheap >>>> o you can re use the wires on it >> >> >> >> >> Brian Kulyk >> 204.887.6988 >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Bergman <b...@benbergman.ca> >> wrote: >>> >>> I just took a look at the sensor and I doubt it can be resoldered. I >>> was about to get some stuff from digikey, so we can toss a few sensors >>> into that order as well. Shipping isn't much and it arrives fast. I'm >>> just not sure when our order is going out (should be this week >>> though). >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Brian Kulyk <br...@kulyk.ca> wrote: >>> > I just broke off the board, one of the leads is now really small. >>> > Someone >>> > might be able to solder it back together, but it's beyond my skill >>> > level. >>> > >>> > I found a mount for a physical switch on thingiverse, we could try that >>> > until the new sensor gets here or until someone with more skill than I >>> > can >>> > re-solder the old one. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Brian Kulyk >>> > 204.887.6988 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Stefan H.A <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Yeah that will likely work. I've been looking for a schematic for that >>> >> board to ensure the hall effect sensor is the same as the one sold at >>> >> sparkfun but can't seem to find it using my phone though. Odds are >>> >> very good >>> >> they are equivalent. >>> >> >>> >> Did the actual sensor break or did it just break off the board. If it >>> >> just >>> >> broke off the board maybe we can reattach it. >>> >> >>> >> On 2013-09-28 2:19 PM, "Brian Kulyk" <br...@kulyk.ca> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately maker stool works is out of the "Cheap-O Hall Endstop >>> >>> Sensor". Perhaps I can just order a new sensor from sparkfun and >>> >>> solder it >>> >>> onto the existing board. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Kulyk >>> >>> 204.887.6988 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Stefan H.A <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If we are ordering something from makerstoolworks.com maybe we >>> >>>> should >>> >>>> see if anything changed from the beta kit we got and have that >>> >>>> included in >>> >>>> the shipment. Also I think there were some parts that were not right >>> >>>> in the >>> >>>> original kit we might like to get replaced. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 2013-09-28 1:37 PM, "Stefan H.A" <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If you are going to use the 'peice of paper' method you need to >>> >>>>> remove >>> >>>>> homing lines from custom gcode section of the slicer config. I >>> >>>>> beleive the >>> >>>>> appropriate lines are g28 and g92 z183. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 2013-09-28 1:30 PM, "Stefan H.A" <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> We got the end stop with the kit. A replacement should be >>> >>>>>> available >>> >>>>>> from makerstoolworks.com. A microswitch could also be used if we >>> >>>>>> can figure >>> >>>>>> a way to attach it. In the mean time we can still use the "piece >>> >>>>>> of paper" >>> >>>>>> method of zeroing. If you need a refresher check old revisions of >>> >>>>>> the wiki. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> This should not have happened. Is it possible the endstop came >>> >>>>>> disconnected? I suppose the firmware could have gone insane when >>> >>>>>> it froze up >>> >>>>>> and that is why it didn't obey the endstop. In the future, we >>> >>>>>> should >>> >>>>>> probably completely power down and disconnect the usb cable when >>> >>>>>> recovering >>> >>>>>> from a crash to ensure the firmware gets reset. This now makes me >>> >>>>>> wonder if >>> >>>>>> the freezing problem is caused by the firmware and not the >>> >>>>>> computer. Maybe >>> >>>>>> we should see if any other user are reporting this and check if >>> >>>>>> there is a >>> >>>>>> more recent version of the Marlin firmware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 2013-09-28 1:05 PM, "Brian Kulyk" <br...@kulyk.ca> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Somehow I managed to break the z axis end-stop sensor. I was >>> >>>>>>> printing this morning, and the print failed. I hit the button to >>> >>>>>>> disconnect, and reconnected to the printer then hit the z home >>> >>>>>>> button so I >>> >>>>>>> could remove the failed print. The z axis did NOT stop at 0, it >>> >>>>>>> kept going >>> >>>>>>> and broke a little black piece off of the z end-stop sensor. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> If someone can tell me where we got the sensor from I can go and >>> >>>>>>> get >>> >>>>>>> or order us another one as soon as possible. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the inconvenience. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Brian Kulyk >>> >>>>>>> 204.887.6988 >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Stefan H.A <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, I think slowing down more and using the fan less(read: >>> >>>>>>>> almost >>> >>>>>>>> never) is the solution to the cracks we are getting in some >>> >>>>>>>> parts. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 2013-09-27 3:12 PM, "d-_-b" <thor.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Parts with fine detail can be run with a lower minimum speed ( >>> >>>>>>>>> default 10mm/s ). we ran the second triforce at 1mm/s minimum >>> >>>>>>>>> speed and that >>> >>>>>>>>> was a tad low, but gave us excellent detail. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Stefan H.A >>> >>>>>>>>> <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I've added some useful links to the tuning section of 3d >>> >>>>>>>>>> printer >>> >>>>>>>>>> wiki page. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Based on the 'too cold' section of the trouble shooting guide >>> >>>>>>>>>> I >>> >>>>>>>>>> beleive we are cooling the part too much with the fan. I think >>> >>>>>>>>>> that when >>> >>>>>>>>>> printing with ABS the fan should remain off unless absolutely >>> >>>>>>>>>> necessary (ie. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Very short layers). Thinking back to the triforce, it only had >>> >>>>>>>>>> trouble at >>> >>>>>>>>>> the very top where the layers were taking only few seconds. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-09-26 12:14 AM, "Stefan H.A" <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Be advised, I changed the infill patern to honeycomb. Don't >>> >>>>>>>>>>> be >>> >>>>>>>>>>> alarmed if the printer appears to have a convulsion while >>> >>>>>>>>>>> printing infill. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do keep an eye out for screws coming loose. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've also set it to print a solid layer every 40 layers. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> These >>> >>>>>>>>>>> settings should increase part strength considerably. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-09-24 3:39 PM, "Benjamin Bergman" <b...@benbergman.ca> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The second one I linked >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:124533) is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> basically a proper version of the one that I cobbled >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> together >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> months >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ago that we are currently using. No disassembly required to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> install >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that one. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would have been nice if all their end plates had cutouts >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> t-nuts >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to be inserted, like the main back plate has. It would make >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> things way easier. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Stefan H.A >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Depending where the bracket attaches, the printer may need >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > be partially >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > disassembled to add the t-nuts into the channels (looks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > like >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > that may be the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > case for the top most screw). I have been looking for a >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > solution that only >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > needs t-nuts in accessable channels. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On 2013-09-24 3:09 PM, "Brian Kulyk" <br...@kulyk.ca> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> I like the first one Ben suggested >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> (http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:77301/#remixes) >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Brian Kulyk >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> 204.887.6988 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Benjamin Bergman >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <b...@benbergman.ca> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> A few more options (all designed to attach to the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> MendelMax >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> 2.0): >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:77301/#remixes >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:124533 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:78741 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Stefan H.A >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > This would probably work but a stand alone spool would >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > take more space. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > The >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > brackets I posted look like they could be attached to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > back of >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > printer. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > On 2013-09-24 11:32 AM, "d-_-b" >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > <thor.robin...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:52927 <- another >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> option >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> for the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> spool >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> holder >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Stefan H.A >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> <stefan...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Some interesting and helpful links I found surfing >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> thingiverse and >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> reprap wiki. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> This might work for a spool holder. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:63431 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Some info about abs and pla. Note the suggestions >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> regarding print >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> surface. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> http://reprap.org/wiki/ABS >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> http://reprap.org/wiki/PLA >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Marlin firmware's home page which includes a list of >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> implimented G >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> and M >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> codes. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> https://github.com/ErikZalm/Marlin >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> On 2013-08-28 1:00 PM, "Aemilianus Kehler" >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> <zew...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> Stupid huffer, why don't you learn to share? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> Cheers!! >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Justin Lacko >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> Of course I huffed it all! How else could I say I'm >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> on >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> such a long >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> "trip" to "Denmark"? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> On 27 August 2013 23:59, Jim MacKenzie >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> <protoj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> He probably huffed it all. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2013 4:58 PM, "Roswyne" >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> <rosw...@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Justin had a 1L tin of it, IIRC. I doubt he took >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> it >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> to Denmark! >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2013 4:26 PM, "Stefan H.A" >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> <stefan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I am thinking it might be good to have one >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> thread >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> for all things >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> 3d >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> printer so I am starting one. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> FYI - I won't be able to make it to the space >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> until >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> sometime >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> after >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> the meeting, not sure when though. 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