I wanted to open it up all classes to the general public. Members get in free (or a drastically reduced rate depending on the class), and non-members pay. It shows off a membership benefit to non members, and the fee can go towards and teaching materials / teachers (if we had to bring in a non member teacher for something specific or for certification) that need to be paid for, and the rest of the money to be donated to skullspace.
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > Also, if the group is charging attendees a fee, I would more strongly > suggest a donation be made to SkSp. :) > > On May 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Like Alex said, if a member is present, it's free. If nobody is a sksp >> member and they want to use the space, it's still free, provided it fits >> with our goals (ie, no cross burning) but they need a member to babysit >> them. It's usually easy to find a volunteer. >> >> The more non-members who show up, the more we encourage a group to donate >> to us, or have an option entrance fee. But we don't enforce it. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Alex Weber <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Free, as in money? We've never mandated any cost to use SkullSpace's >>> facilities. As long as a member is present, it's free. Period. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Ric Lim <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Somewhat related to this. Is our policy for classroom use still free >>>> for a group meeting with member(s) who are part of Skullspace? >>>> >>>> On 5/7/14, R Rodd <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Sounds great, Theo - I'm in! >>>> > >>>> > "More learning? Yes please!" >>>> > On May 7, 2014 2:15 PM, "Theo Baschak" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> I have been prepping an "afternoon IPv6 workshop" since BSides >>>> basically, >>>> >> for a hackathon or perhaps even its own event. Oriented to network >>>> guys, >>>> >> server dudes, and perhaps even programmers, who want to be more >>>> aware of >>>> >> and get familiar (yes, hands on) with IPv6. Some of the topics: >>>> >> Addressing/Subnetting, new concepts (SLAAC, ULA, privacy addressing), >>>> >> v4/v6 >>>> >> rough equivalencies where they exist and the differences from v4, NO >>>> NEED >>>> >> FOR NAT (but you still can), what IPv6 looks/works like for home >>>> users, >>>> >> to >>>> >> name a few. >>>> >> >>>> >> There has been some interest expressed by others in both putting >>>> this on, >>>> >> and also in attending such a talk/workshop. >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Theo >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On May 7, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Robert Keizer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > I'd be interested in doing a design 101 course.. and I imagine that >>>> >> > with a little advertising lots of people would also attend. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> That course was really exciting to me for the reason you >>>> mentioned, it >>>> >> ties >>>> >> >> the fundamental hardware concepts all the way to the software. The >>>> >> >> only >>>> >> >> thing we need to make sure of is that the test answers don't get >>>> out >>>> >> online. >>>> >> >> They use this in universities, so having homework answers online >>>> is a >>>> >> >> problem. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On May 3, 2014 1:37 PM, "R Rodd" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I could teach that course for you, Rylaan, or co-teach as I know >>>> we >>>> >> have >>>> >> >>> several members skilled in the material covered by it and likely >>>> more >>>> >> than a >>>> >> >>> few interested in teaching it. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> The video you linked mentioned it being a 12 week structure - I'm >>>> >> >>> game >>>> >> for >>>> >> >>> doing it over the summer but when would be best for yourself and >>>> >> >>> other >>>> >> >>> potential participants? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> From the description in the video it is exactly the kind of >>>> course >>>> >> >>> that >>>> >> >>> should have been in my Comp. Eng. program in 2nd or 3rd year to >>>> "tie >>>> >> it all >>>> >> >>> together" .. fortunately for me I was doing similar projects in >>>> high >>>> >> school >>>> >> >>> and through the IEEE student group on campus. Those projects >>>> gave >>>> >> context >>>> >> >>> to the abstract theories covered in class. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Richard >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On May 3, 2014 12:14 PM, "Rylaan Gimby" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> I have a Graphic Design 101 course that I've been planning for >>>> >> >>>> years. >>>> >> >>>> Maybe it's time to put it on. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> I also just received the teaching materials for this course, >>>> >> >>>> http://www.nand2tetris.org/ I don't know if I have the >>>> technical >>>> >> abilities >>>> >> >>>> to put it on though, since I would be learning myself. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Adrian Stoness >>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> id be down for that rhinoceros corse been yrs since i last >>>> looked >>>> >> >>>>> ath >>>> >> >>>>> that program >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> on another note justing i got a photo going up at this >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> http://www.labiennale.org/en/architecture/news/25-01.html?back=true >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Justin Lacko <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> We may not be fully sustainable on our own yet, but I think >>>> that >>>> >> with >>>> >> >>>>>> each passing month we are getting closer and closer to that >>>> goal. >>>> >> In the >>>> >> >>>>>> time since I've left I've seen many new names be added to the >>>> list >>>> >> of >>>> >> >>>>>> members. I think there would be cause for concern if that >>>> wasn't >>>> >> happening, >>>> >> >>>>>> but it is. >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> As Mark said, SkSp will always be about people donating their >>>> time >>>> >> (and >>>> >> >>>>>> their money) to the continuation of the space. But this is a >>>> >> >>>>>> proven >>>> >> business >>>> >> >>>>>> model for orgs such as ours and I think we should continue to >>>> >> embrace it. >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> I think I mentioned it in the past that in my experience of >>>> >> >>>>>> sitting >>>> >> on >>>> >> >>>>>> a different board, that organization met at a semi-private >>>> school. >>>> >> Each time >>>> >> >>>>>> we had a meeting, we made a resolution to donate $40 or >>>> something >>>> >> to the >>>> >> >>>>>> school, in exchange for letting us use their facilities. That >>>> >> >>>>>> board >>>> >> had >>>> >> >>>>>> money in the bank, so I wouldn't expect it from every org that >>>> >> >>>>>> uses >>>> >> our >>>> >> >>>>>> space, but I think it's the right attitude towards using our >>>> >> >>>>>> space. >>>> >> A >>>> >> >>>>>> gentle, non-direct request for donations in exchange for our >>>> >> facilities >>>> >> >>>>>> wouldn't hurt anybody - and nobody would be obliged to donate >>>> if >>>> >> they >>>> >> >>>>>> couldn't/didn't want to. >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> As much as there's shared worries about the financial future >>>> of >>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>> >> >>>>>> space, it seems like we are on the right track, and now is the >>>> >> >>>>>> time >>>> >> to >>>> >> >>>>>> re-focus our sustainability strategies on growing our >>>> membership >>>> >> base >>>> >> >>>>>> through value-added content, like workshops and >>>> circuit-bending >>>> >> nights and >>>> >> >>>>>> everything else. In the future, it would be greatly >>>> satisfying to >>>> >> see a >>>> >> >>>>>> calendar with an event/workshop almost every night - >>>> everything >>>> >> >>>>>> from >>>> >> >>>>>> hacker-themed cooking classes to PGP how-tos to CTFs etc etc - >>>> >> >>>>>> that >>>> >> will be >>>> >> >>>>>> the draw for people to join and donate their time. >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> If I'm around in August, feel free to put me down for a >>>> >> multi-evening >>>> >> >>>>>> course teaching Rhinoceros 3D modeling and VRay rendering >>>> skills! >>>> >> I'll help >>>> >> >>>>>> out with SkSp however I can. And of course Friday night movie >>>> >> nights :) >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> -Justin >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> On 3 May 2014 01:33, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm very pleased to hear that a portion of the fees were >>>> paid to >>>> >> SkSp >>>> >> >>>>>>>> as >>>> >> >>>>>>>> a thank-you for using the space. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> I see it more than just thank-you but as respectful rent >>>> decided >>>> >> >>>>>>> on >>>> >> >>>>>>> upfront -- if she's making money teaching to mostly >>>> non-members >>>> >> then >>>> >> >>>>>>> Skullspace deserves a cut for its contribution. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> It's different if is someone is charging money for a >>>> members-only >>>> >> >>>>>>> workshop (then Skullspace needs no rent as Skullspace is >>>> getting >>>> >> value by a >>>> >> >>>>>>> member specific or member discounted service being >>>> delivered) or >>>> >> if the room >>>> >> >>>>>>> is used by something like a usergroup (where nobody is >>>> getting >>>> >> paid). >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> For usergroups with hacker worthy subject matter, we might >>>> not >>>> >> want to >>>> >> >>>>>>> go as far as asking rent, but to make a requirement that they >>>> >> circulate a >>>> >> >>>>>>> collection donation cup/hat/pot to their attendees each time >>>> they >>>> >> use the >>>> >> >>>>>>> room. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Even our internal events with non-members showing up should >>>> >> include a >>>> >> >>>>>>> good cup passing beg moment when we've got the crowd in our >>>> >> >>>>>>> palms. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>> >> >>>>>>> Help: >>>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>> >> >>>>>>> Archive: >>>> >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> 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