Different pricing for SkSp members would almost have to be on the honour system, since no list of members is permitted, according to our bylaws.
Although I suppose you could test if someone's fob is active to verify their membership if they indicate they are a member. On May 8, 2014 10:17 AM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: > Rylaan - we talked about doing that in the past (free/cheap for members, > not for non-members), and I'm 100% in favour. It just requires a little > more effort on the part of the organizer to figure out who's who(m) and to > collect money. Since our default stance is 'lazy', nobody's tried it :) > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I wanted to open it up all classes to the general public. Members get in >> free (or a drastically reduced rate depending on the class), and >> non-members pay. It shows off a membership benefit to non members, and the >> fee can go towards and teaching materials / teachers (if we had to bring in >> a non member teacher for something specific or for certification) that need >> to be paid for, and the rest of the money to be donated to skullspace. >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Also, if the group is charging attendees a fee, I would more strongly >>> suggest a donation be made to SkSp. :) >>> >>> On May 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Like Alex said, if a member is present, it's free. If nobody is a sksp >>>> member and they want to use the space, it's still free, provided it fits >>>> with our goals (ie, no cross burning) but they need a member to babysit >>>> them. It's usually easy to find a volunteer. >>>> >>>> The more non-members who show up, the more we encourage a group to >>>> donate to us, or have an option entrance fee. But we don't enforce it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Alex Weber <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Free, as in money? We've never mandated any cost to use SkullSpace's >>>>> facilities. As long as a member is present, it's free. Period. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Ric Lim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Somewhat related to this. Is our policy for classroom use still free >>>>>> for a group meeting with member(s) who are part of Skullspace? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/7/14, R Rodd <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Sounds great, Theo - I'm in! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > "More learning? Yes please!" >>>>>> > On May 7, 2014 2:15 PM, "Theo Baschak" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I have been prepping an "afternoon IPv6 workshop" since BSides >>>>>> basically, >>>>>> >> for a hackathon or perhaps even its own event. Oriented to network >>>>>> guys, >>>>>> >> server dudes, and perhaps even programmers, who want to be more >>>>>> aware of >>>>>> >> and get familiar (yes, hands on) with IPv6. Some of the topics: >>>>>> >> Addressing/Subnetting, new concepts (SLAAC, ULA, privacy >>>>>> addressing), >>>>>> >> v4/v6 >>>>>> >> rough equivalencies where they exist and the differences from v4, >>>>>> NO NEED >>>>>> >> FOR NAT (but you still can), what IPv6 looks/works like for home >>>>>> users, >>>>>> >> to >>>>>> >> name a few. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> There has been some interest expressed by others in both putting >>>>>> this on, >>>>>> >> and also in attending such a talk/workshop. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> Theo >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On May 7, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Robert Keizer <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> > I'd be interested in doing a design 101 course.. and I imagine >>>>>> that >>>>>> >> > with a little advertising lots of people would also attend. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> That course was really exciting to me for the reason you >>>>>> mentioned, it >>>>>> >> ties >>>>>> >> >> the fundamental hardware concepts all the way to the software. >>>>>> The >>>>>> >> >> only >>>>>> >> >> thing we need to make sure of is that the test answers don't >>>>>> get out >>>>>> >> online. >>>>>> >> >> They use this in universities, so having homework answers >>>>>> online is a >>>>>> >> >> problem. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On May 3, 2014 1:37 PM, "R Rodd" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> I could teach that course for you, Rylaan, or co-teach as I >>>>>> know we >>>>>> >> have >>>>>> >> >>> several members skilled in the material covered by it and >>>>>> likely more >>>>>> >> than a >>>>>> >> >>> few interested in teaching it. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> The video you linked mentioned it being a 12 week structure - >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> >> >>> game >>>>>> >> for >>>>>> >> >>> doing it over the summer but when would be best for yourself >>>>>> and >>>>>> >> >>> other >>>>>> >> >>> potential participants? >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> From the description in the video it is exactly the kind of >>>>>> course >>>>>> >> >>> that >>>>>> >> >>> should have been in my Comp. Eng. program in 2nd or 3rd year >>>>>> to "tie >>>>>> >> it all >>>>>> >> >>> together" .. fortunately for me I was doing similar projects >>>>>> in high >>>>>> >> school >>>>>> >> >>> and through the IEEE student group on campus. Those projects >>>>>> gave >>>>>> >> context >>>>>> >> >>> to the abstract theories covered in class. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> - Richard >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> On May 3, 2014 12:14 PM, "Rylaan Gimby" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> I have a Graphic Design 101 course that I've been planning for >>>>>> >> >>>> years. >>>>>> >> >>>> Maybe it's time to put it on. >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> I also just received the teaching materials for this course, >>>>>> >> >>>> http://www.nand2tetris.org/ I don't know if I have the >>>>>> technical >>>>>> >> abilities >>>>>> >> >>>> to put it on though, since I would be learning myself. >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Adrian Stoness >>>>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>> id be down for that rhinoceros corse been yrs since i last >>>>>> looked >>>>>> >> >>>>> ath >>>>>> >> >>>>> that program >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>> on another note justing i got a photo going up at this >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.labiennale.org/en/architecture/news/25-01.html?back=true >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Justin Lacko < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We may not be fully sustainable on our own yet, but I think >>>>>> that >>>>>> >> with >>>>>> >> >>>>>> each passing month we are getting closer and closer to that >>>>>> goal. >>>>>> >> In the >>>>>> >> >>>>>> time since I've left I've seen many new names be added to >>>>>> the list >>>>>> >> of >>>>>> >> >>>>>> members. I think there would be cause for concern if that >>>>>> wasn't >>>>>> >> happening, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> but it is. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As Mark said, SkSp will always be about people donating >>>>>> their time >>>>>> >> (and >>>>>> >> >>>>>> their money) to the continuation of the space. But this is a >>>>>> >> >>>>>> proven >>>>>> >> business >>>>>> >> >>>>>> model for orgs such as ours and I think we should continue >>>>>> to >>>>>> >> embrace it. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I think I mentioned it in the past that in my experience of >>>>>> >> >>>>>> sitting >>>>>> >> on >>>>>> >> >>>>>> a different board, that organization met at a semi-private >>>>>> school. >>>>>> >> Each time >>>>>> >> >>>>>> we had a meeting, we made a resolution to donate $40 or >>>>>> something >>>>>> >> to the >>>>>> >> >>>>>> school, in exchange for letting us use their facilities. >>>>>> That >>>>>> >> >>>>>> board >>>>>> >> had >>>>>> >> >>>>>> money in the bank, so I wouldn't expect it from every org >>>>>> that >>>>>> >> >>>>>> uses >>>>>> >> our >>>>>> >> >>>>>> space, but I think it's the right attitude towards using our >>>>>> >> >>>>>> space. >>>>>> >> A >>>>>> >> >>>>>> gentle, non-direct request for donations in exchange for our >>>>>> >> facilities >>>>>> >> >>>>>> wouldn't hurt anybody - and nobody would be obliged to >>>>>> donate if >>>>>> >> they >>>>>> >> >>>>>> couldn't/didn't want to. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As much as there's shared worries about the financial >>>>>> future of >>>>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>>>> >> >>>>>> space, it seems like we are on the right track, and now is >>>>>> the >>>>>> >> >>>>>> time >>>>>> >> to >>>>>> >> >>>>>> re-focus our sustainability strategies on growing our >>>>>> membership >>>>>> >> base >>>>>> >> >>>>>> through value-added content, like workshops and >>>>>> circuit-bending >>>>>> >> nights and >>>>>> >> >>>>>> everything else. In the future, it would be greatly >>>>>> satisfying to >>>>>> >> see a >>>>>> >> >>>>>> calendar with an event/workshop almost every night - >>>>>> everything >>>>>> >> >>>>>> from >>>>>> >> >>>>>> hacker-themed cooking classes to PGP how-tos to CTFs etc >>>>>> etc - >>>>>> >> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >> will be >>>>>> >> >>>>>> the draw for people to join and donate their time. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If I'm around in August, feel free to put me down for a >>>>>> >> multi-evening >>>>>> >> >>>>>> course teaching Rhinoceros 3D modeling and VRay rendering >>>>>> skills! >>>>>> >> I'll help >>>>>> >> >>>>>> out with SkSp however I can. And of course Friday night >>>>>> movie >>>>>> >> nights :) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -Justin >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 3 May 2014 01:33, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm very pleased to hear that a portion of the fees were >>>>>> paid to >>>>>> >> SkSp >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> as >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> a thank-you for using the space. >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I see it more than just thank-you but as respectful rent >>>>>> decided >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> on >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> upfront -- if she's making money teaching to mostly >>>>>> non-members >>>>>> >> then >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Skullspace deserves a cut for its contribution. >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It's different if is someone is charging money for a >>>>>> members-only >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> workshop (then Skullspace needs no rent as Skullspace is >>>>>> getting >>>>>> >> value by a >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> member specific or member 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