Rylaan - we talked about doing that in the past (free/cheap for members, not for non-members), and I'm 100% in favour. It just requires a little more effort on the part of the organizer to figure out who's who(m) and to collect money. Since our default stance is 'lazy', nobody's tried it :)
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> wrote: > I wanted to open it up all classes to the general public. Members get in > free (or a drastically reduced rate depending on the class), and > non-members pay. It shows off a membership benefit to non members, and the > fee can go towards and teaching materials / teachers (if we had to bring in > a non member teacher for something specific or for certification) that need > to be paid for, and the rest of the money to be donated to skullspace. > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Also, if the group is charging attendees a fee, I would more strongly >> suggest a donation be made to SkSp. :) >> >> On May 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Like Alex said, if a member is present, it's free. If nobody is a sksp >>> member and they want to use the space, it's still free, provided it fits >>> with our goals (ie, no cross burning) but they need a member to babysit >>> them. It's usually easy to find a volunteer. >>> >>> The more non-members who show up, the more we encourage a group to >>> donate to us, or have an option entrance fee. But we don't enforce it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Alex Weber <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Free, as in money? We've never mandated any cost to use SkullSpace's >>>> facilities. As long as a member is present, it's free. Period. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Ric Lim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Somewhat related to this. Is our policy for classroom use still free >>>>> for a group meeting with member(s) who are part of Skullspace? >>>>> >>>>> On 5/7/14, R Rodd <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Sounds great, Theo - I'm in! >>>>> > >>>>> > "More learning? Yes please!" >>>>> > On May 7, 2014 2:15 PM, "Theo Baschak" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> I have been prepping an "afternoon IPv6 workshop" since BSides >>>>> basically, >>>>> >> for a hackathon or perhaps even its own event. Oriented to network >>>>> guys, >>>>> >> server dudes, and perhaps even programmers, who want to be more >>>>> aware of >>>>> >> and get familiar (yes, hands on) with IPv6. Some of the topics: >>>>> >> Addressing/Subnetting, new concepts (SLAAC, ULA, privacy >>>>> addressing), >>>>> >> v4/v6 >>>>> >> rough equivalencies where they exist and the differences from v4, >>>>> NO NEED >>>>> >> FOR NAT (but you still can), what IPv6 looks/works like for home >>>>> users, >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> name a few. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> There has been some interest expressed by others in both putting >>>>> this on, >>>>> >> and also in attending such a talk/workshop. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Theo >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On May 7, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Robert Keizer <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > I'd be interested in doing a design 101 course.. and I imagine >>>>> that >>>>> >> > with a little advertising lots of people would also attend. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >> That course was really exciting to me for the reason you >>>>> mentioned, it >>>>> >> ties >>>>> >> >> the fundamental hardware concepts all the way to the software. >>>>> The >>>>> >> >> only >>>>> >> >> thing we need to make sure of is that the test answers don't get >>>>> out >>>>> >> online. >>>>> >> >> They use this in universities, so having homework answers online >>>>> is a >>>>> >> >> problem. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On May 3, 2014 1:37 PM, "R Rodd" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I could teach that course for you, Rylaan, or co-teach as I >>>>> know we >>>>> >> have >>>>> >> >>> several members skilled in the material covered by it and >>>>> likely more >>>>> >> than a >>>>> >> >>> few interested in teaching it. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> The video you linked mentioned it being a 12 week structure - >>>>> I'm >>>>> >> >>> game >>>>> >> for >>>>> >> >>> doing it over the summer but when would be best for yourself and >>>>> >> >>> other >>>>> >> >>> potential participants? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> From the description in the video it is exactly the kind of >>>>> course >>>>> >> >>> that >>>>> >> >>> should have been in my Comp. Eng. program in 2nd or 3rd year to >>>>> "tie >>>>> >> it all >>>>> >> >>> together" .. fortunately for me I was doing similar projects in >>>>> high >>>>> >> school >>>>> >> >>> and through the IEEE student group on campus. Those projects >>>>> gave >>>>> >> context >>>>> >> >>> to the abstract theories covered in class. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> - Richard >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On May 3, 2014 12:14 PM, "Rylaan Gimby" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> I have a Graphic Design 101 course that I've been planning for >>>>> >> >>>> years. >>>>> >> >>>> Maybe it's time to put it on. >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> I also just received the teaching materials for this course, >>>>> >> >>>> http://www.nand2tetris.org/ I don't know if I have the >>>>> technical >>>>> >> abilities >>>>> >> >>>> to put it on though, since I would be learning myself. >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Adrian Stoness >>>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> id be down for that rhinoceros corse been yrs since i last >>>>> looked >>>>> >> >>>>> ath >>>>> >> >>>>> that program >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> on another note justing i got a photo going up at this >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.labiennale.org/en/architecture/news/25-01.html?back=true >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Justin Lacko < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> We may not be fully sustainable on our own yet, but I think >>>>> that >>>>> >> with >>>>> >> >>>>>> each passing month we are getting closer and closer to that >>>>> goal. >>>>> >> In the >>>>> >> >>>>>> time since I've left I've seen many new names be added to >>>>> the list >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> >>>>>> members. I think there would be cause for concern if that >>>>> wasn't >>>>> >> happening, >>>>> >> >>>>>> but it is. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> As Mark said, SkSp will always be about people donating >>>>> their time >>>>> >> (and >>>>> >> >>>>>> their money) to the continuation of the space. But this is a >>>>> >> >>>>>> proven >>>>> >> business >>>>> >> >>>>>> model for orgs such as ours and I think we should continue to >>>>> >> embrace it. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I think I mentioned it in the past that in my experience of >>>>> >> >>>>>> sitting >>>>> >> on >>>>> >> >>>>>> a different board, that organization met at a semi-private >>>>> school. >>>>> >> Each time >>>>> >> >>>>>> we had a meeting, we made a resolution to donate $40 or >>>>> something >>>>> >> to the >>>>> >> >>>>>> school, in exchange for letting us use their facilities. That >>>>> >> >>>>>> board >>>>> >> had >>>>> >> >>>>>> money in the bank, so I wouldn't expect it from every org >>>>> that >>>>> >> >>>>>> uses >>>>> >> our >>>>> >> >>>>>> space, but I think it's the right attitude towards using our >>>>> >> >>>>>> space. >>>>> >> A >>>>> >> >>>>>> gentle, non-direct request for donations in exchange for our >>>>> >> facilities >>>>> >> >>>>>> wouldn't hurt anybody - and nobody would be obliged to >>>>> donate if >>>>> >> they >>>>> >> >>>>>> couldn't/didn't want to. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> As much as there's shared worries about the financial future >>>>> of >>>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>>> >> >>>>>> space, it seems like we are on the right track, and now is >>>>> the >>>>> >> >>>>>> time >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> >>>>>> re-focus our sustainability strategies on growing our >>>>> membership >>>>> >> base >>>>> >> >>>>>> through value-added content, like workshops and >>>>> circuit-bending >>>>> >> nights and >>>>> >> >>>>>> everything else. In the future, it would be greatly >>>>> satisfying to >>>>> >> see a >>>>> >> >>>>>> calendar with an event/workshop almost every night - >>>>> everything >>>>> >> >>>>>> from >>>>> >> >>>>>> hacker-themed cooking classes to PGP how-tos to CTFs etc etc >>>>> - >>>>> >> >>>>>> that >>>>> >> will be >>>>> >> >>>>>> the draw for people to join and donate their time. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> If I'm around in August, feel free to put me down for a >>>>> >> multi-evening >>>>> >> >>>>>> course teaching Rhinoceros 3D modeling and VRay rendering >>>>> skills! >>>>> >> I'll help >>>>> >> >>>>>> out with SkSp however I can. And of course Friday night movie >>>>> >> nights :) >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> -Justin >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On 3 May 2014 01:33, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm very pleased to hear that a portion of the fees were >>>>> paid to >>>>> >> SkSp >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> as >>>>> >> >>>>>>>> a thank-you for using the space. >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> I see it more than just thank-you but as respectful rent >>>>> decided >>>>> >> >>>>>>> on >>>>> >> >>>>>>> upfront -- if she's making money teaching to mostly >>>>> non-members >>>>> >> then >>>>> >> >>>>>>> Skullspace deserves a cut for its contribution. >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> It's different if is someone is charging money for a >>>>> members-only >>>>> >> >>>>>>> workshop (then Skullspace needs no rent as Skullspace is >>>>> getting >>>>> >> value by a >>>>> >> >>>>>>> member specific or member discounted service being >>>>> delivered) or >>>>> >> if the room >>>>> >> >>>>>>> is used by something like a usergroup (where nobody is >>>>> getting >>>>> >> paid). >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> For usergroups with hacker worthy subject matter, we might >>>>> not >>>>> >> want to >>>>> >> >>>>>>> go as far as asking rent, but to make a requirement that >>>>> they >>>>> >> circulate a >>>>> >> >>>>>>> collection donation cup/hat/pot to their attendees each >>>>> time they >>>>> >> use the >>>>> >> >>>>>>> room. >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> Even our internal events with non-members showing up should >>>>> >> include a >>>>> >> >>>>>>> good cup passing beg moment when we've got the crowd in our >>>>> >> >>>>>>> palms. >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>>>> >> >>>>>>> Help: >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>>>> >> >>>>>>> Archive: >>>>> >> 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